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Jan 6, 2004: Did it make sense for Isiah to think Marbs/H20 were our future?
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Bonn1997
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3/13/2006  6:12 PM
I mentioned this elsewere but thought it could generate good discussion as its own thread. When Isiah acquired Marbury, Houston had played in 30 out of 35 games, had averaged 20.2 PPG in those games, and had said his knees were fine. From all reports given to the media, the doctors were saying Houston would have a full recovery.
And it could have worked extremely well. Marbury penetrating and finishing or drawing defenders and kicking it out to Houston. Heck if they cleared out so that only Marbury and Houston were on the right side of the court, Marbury could drive and finish with his strong hand because no defender would leave Houston to double Marbury.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03-13-2006 7:43 PM]
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3/13/2006  8:40 PM
It was working for a while, but I think the trade that started the downfall was keith van horn for tim thomas. The knicks were really rolling with keith, who was filling in as that shooter for marbury to kick it out to, but IT felt the need to add more athleticism, and then we had no shooters left.

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3/13/2006  9:59 PM
Yup, it shure did. At the time Steph had all the pick and roll partners he could handle and he was making guys like Harrington and Sweetney look respectable.

Funny thing is if you look at the KVH for TT/Nazr trade you would do that again and again today, but that really messed us up at the time.
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3/13/2006  10:23 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Yup, it shure did. At the time Steph had all the pick and roll partners he could handle and he was making guys like Harrington and Sweetney look respectable.

Funny thing is if you look at the KVH for TT/Nazr trade you would do that again and again today, but that really messed us up at the time.
I think Houston not recovering the way the doctors said he would messed up the team more than the KVH trade. I understand what you're saying about KVH fitting well in that brief stretch with Marbury but right now, I'd actually rather have David Lee than KVH
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3/13/2006  10:31 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Yup, it shure did. At the time Steph had all the pick and roll partners he could handle and he was making guys like Harrington and Sweetney look respectable.

Funny thing is if you look at the KVH for TT/Nazr trade you would do that again and again today, but that really messed us up at the time.
I think Houston not recovering the way the doctors said he would messed up the team more than the KVH trade. I understand what you're saying about KVH fitting well in that brief stretch with Marbury but right now, I'd actually rather have David Lee than KVH


Whats your point?
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3/13/2006  10:38 PM
Isiah is an idiot.
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3/13/2006  10:55 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Yup, it shure did. At the time Steph had all the pick and roll partners he could handle and he was making guys like Harrington and Sweetney look respectable.

Funny thing is if you look at the KVH for TT/Nazr trade you would do that again and again today, but that really messed us up at the time.
I think Houston not recovering the way the doctors said he would messed up the team more than the KVH trade. I understand what you're saying about KVH fitting well in that brief stretch with Marbury but right now, I'd actually rather have David Lee than KVH


Whats your point?

This is a bit off the topic of the Marbury/Houston backcourt but to answer your question: The KVH trade got us Nazr, who got us David Lee. Without the KVH trade, we probably wouldn't have David Lee, whom I value more than KVH. So, it's hard for me to criticize the KVH deal. You follow?

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3/14/2006  12:42 AM
When Isiah did the KVH deal, he probably didn't even know who David Lee was. Either way, that trade itself was lateral. Both players completely sucked after that.

As for the Marbury Houston thing, it would have made great sense, if Houston was healthy, but I'm wondering if Isiah just completely rushed him back. What should have happened was Houston should have had that very season, where we had KVH, and not played at all. But that was never going to happen. Chaney was fighting for his job. The thing we should have done was not even trade for Marbury, just ridden with KVH, and hopefully gotton a chance for Dwight or Emeka. Didn't happen. It's spilled milk.
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3/14/2006  12:59 AM
When Isiah did the KVH deal, he probably didn't even know who David Lee was.
No, but he knew he was getting a good asset in Nazr, who could be used wisely in a trade.

As for the Marbury Houston thing, it would have made great sense, if Houston was healthy, but I'm wondering if Isiah just completely rushed him back.
Layden was the GM when Houston was being rushed back.

The thing we should have done was not even trade for Marbury, just ridden with KVH, and hopefully gotton a chance for Dwight or Emeka. Didn't happen. It's spilled milk.
That team was 14-21. There's no way it would have gotten a good enough pick to get either of those players. With Cablevision running the Knicks, there's no way they'd ever give up on a season just to try to get a higher draft pick anyway.
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3/14/2006  1:02 AM
steph/h20 was the plan. not a bad plan as they fit.
just like steph + kvh fit.
and steph + kurt fit.

but then isiah systematically took away all stand still jumpshooters and left marbury without any real complements on the team. again, another case of acquiring players with no real plan.
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3/14/2006  1:02 AM
KVH was playing well in our system, theres no reason he wouldn't have kept playing well on our team.
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3/14/2006  2:04 AM
it made sense to Dolan.
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3/14/2006  7:49 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

steph/h20 was the plan. not a bad plan as they fit.
just like steph + kvh fit.
and steph + kurt fit.

but then isiah systematically took away all stand still jumpshooters and left marbury without any real complements on the team. again, another case of acquiring players with no real plan.
I don't see how Isiah trading KVH and Kurt has anything to do with this. How did Isiah systematically take Houston away? Your post just looks like another bash Isiah post when he did nothing wrong with Houston.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03-14-2006 07:50 AM]
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3/14/2006  9:30 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

steph/h20 was the plan. not a bad plan as they fit.
just like steph + kvh fit.
and steph + kurt fit.

but then isiah systematically took away all stand still jumpshooters and left marbury without any real complements on the team. again, another case of acquiring players with no real plan.
I don't see how Isiah trading KVH and Kurt has anything to do with this. How did Isiah systematically take Houston away? Your post just looks like another bash Isiah post when he did nothing wrong with Houston.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03-14-2006 07:50 AM]

Marbs is caustic. Can he get along with anyone?

I think he may need to step into an established team and be a soldier instead of a General.
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