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3/12/2006  3:43 PM
Posted by holfresh:
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When Eric Snow, Malik Rose and Theo Ratliff are next year starters..I hope the complaining and the moaning stops....In Brown we trust....

yeah but some fans, and almost certainly Isiah Thomas, woudnt mind that as long as the knicks win.




Yeah and if you think they will win with that lineup and no eye to the future...What can I say...

realistically though, the knicks wont acquire those players, they're too old, even for larry brown. however, what brown would probably want is less talented, yet better defensive players. and he's already proven that he can win with them. you have a point that we should keep an eye on the future though, but this is what zeke wants, so I perhaps there never was an eye for the future.
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3/12/2006  3:45 PM
Derek Harper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marbury
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Ward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marbury
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Childs >>>>>>>>>>>Marbury
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Mark Jackson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marbury
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3/12/2006  3:48 PM
Rod Strickland >>>>>>>>>>>> Marbury
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Greg Anthony >>>>>>> Marbury
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3/12/2006  3:50 PM


Marbs aver...20 pts 8 assist for 10 years....I'll put that up against anyone in the last 30 years....

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3/12/2006  3:51 PM
Posted by holfresh:



Marbs aver...20 pts 8 assist for 10 years....I'll put that up against anyone in the last 30 years....


so
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3/12/2006  3:52 PM
Antoine Walker's career numbers are impressive as well
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3/12/2006  3:53 PM
Posted by McK1:

Antoine Walker's career numbers are impressive as well



He also is better than any point guard we have had here in 30 years....
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3/12/2006  3:54 PM
Posted by McK1:
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Marbs aver...20 pts 8 assist for 10 years....I'll put that up against anyone in the last 30 years....


so



So...give me facts...let me hear it....So?????
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3/12/2006  3:55 PM
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Marbury says dumb things often and is not a leader. That said, he's far from the reason that this team is bad. The team is bad because we have no shot blockers, no perimeter defenders, minimal perimeter shooting, and minimal low post scoring

dude, a HUGE part of the reason this team is bad is because of Marbury's lack of defense on the perimeter & the fact that there are no leaders here other than Malik Rose... he's getting paid a max contract & he's Isiah's boy... he needs to step up & be a leader, pointblank... stop making excuses for this guy already.

I dont know if I would call it making excuses, after all marbury was NEVER a leader, even back when he first got his max contract, why should we expect him to change now? marbury was always a highly paid, yet talented player with attitude problems, thats why we where able to get him with the garbage we sent to pheonix. you get what you pay for. anyway I disagree that marbury is a huge reason why we are losing. beleive it or not, when marbury doesnt play, the team looks even worse. I doubt his bad defense plays that much of a factor becuase everyone on our team is a bad defender, for the most part though I agree with what bonn said.

[Edited by - slimpack on 03-12-2006 3:44 PM]

I had the same reaction. I don't know what the excuses I was making are. An excuse is a reason that justifies a poor performance. I gave no such reasons. I agree with everything you said, slim, about Marbury having attitude problems but not being the reason are team sucks. We were much worse without than with him.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03-12-2006 3:56 PM]
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3/12/2006  4:11 PM
I really am lost here....After every game no matter how the Knicks do, you always see a HOW MUCH WE HATE MARBS ARTICLE AND POST..Marbs in one game this season had 35 pts and 9 assist in a game..Next day, I think it was Mark Berman,who I lived across the hall from in college, spewing hate saying so what, you had a great game and still lost...

I think it has to be the money..If Marbs made 2 mil per year..everyone would love him....

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-12-2006 4:13 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-12-2006 4:14 PM]
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3/12/2006  4:24 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by holfresh:
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When Eric Snow, Malik Rose and Theo Ratliff are next year starters..I hope the complaining and the moaning stops....In Brown we trust....

yeah but some fans, and almost certainly Isiah Thomas, woudnt mind that as long as the knicks win.




Yeah and if you think they will win with that lineup and no eye to the future...What can I say...

realistically though, the knicks wont acquire those players, they're too old, even for larry brown. however, what brown would probably want is less talented, yet better defensive players. and he's already proven that he can win with them. you have a point that we should keep an eye on the future though, but this is what zeke wants, so I perhaps there never was an eye for the future.



Where has Larry won where he hasn't had great offensive players?

Sheed, Billups,Prince, and Rip are not good offensive players?

Iverson is not a great offensive players?

Reggie Miller is not a great offensive player?
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3/12/2006  4:30 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

difference between steph and francis is, francis actually is willing to play under browns system, it was a known fact that marbury only endorsed brown cause zeke told him too


I know, it's the same thing he said in Houston with van Gundy
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3/12/2006  4:34 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
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difference between steph and francis is, francis actually is willing to play under browns system, it was a known fact that marbury only endorsed brown cause zeke told him too


I know, it's the same thing he said in Houston with van Gundy


It's not only Steph tho, it the whole team except Malik and the rooks...
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3/12/2006  4:38 PM
Posted by holfresh:




Where has Larry won where he hasn't had great offensive players?

Sheed, Billups,Prince, and Rip are not good offensive players?

Iverson is not a great offensive players?

Reggie Miller is not a great offensive player?


I don't know how you stick up for Marbury. This is a guy that has been run out of town everywhere he has been. Yeah he's gotten 20&8 every year of his career but he's all piled up Loss after Loss with that 20&8, that 20&8 sure is doing alot to help the teams he played for, win.

What coach has won without great offensive players?

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3/12/2006  5:04 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

difference between steph and francis is, francis actually is willing to play under browns system, it was a known fact that marbury only endorsed brown cause zeke told him too


I know, it's the same thing he said in Houston with van Gundy
Francis is hardly known as a good soldier who always plays hard. If he fits in Brown's system, he will have been a steal, but I need to see it actually happen for an extended period
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3/12/2006  5:33 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SlimPack:
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Posted by Bonn1997:

Marbury says dumb things often and is not a leader. That said, he's far from the reason that this team is bad. The team is bad because we have no shot blockers, no perimeter defenders, minimal perimeter shooting, and minimal low post scoring

dude, a HUGE part of the reason this team is bad is because of Marbury's lack of defense on the perimeter & the fact that there are no leaders here other than Malik Rose... he's getting paid a max contract & he's Isiah's boy... he needs to step up & be a leader, pointblank... stop making excuses for this guy already.

I dont know if I would call it making excuses, after all marbury was NEVER a leader, even back when he first got his max contract, why should we expect him to change now? marbury was always a highly paid, yet talented player with attitude problems, thats why we where able to get him with the garbage we sent to pheonix. you get what you pay for. anyway I disagree that marbury is a huge reason why we are losing. beleive it or not, when marbury doesnt play, the team looks even worse. I doubt his bad defense plays that much of a factor becuase everyone on our team is a bad defender, for the most part though I agree with what bonn said.

[Edited by - slimpack on 03-12-2006 3:44 PM]

I had the same reaction. I don't know what the excuses I was making are. An excuse is a reason that justifies a poor performance. I gave no such reasons. I agree with everything you said, slim, about Marbury having attitude problems but not being the reason are team sucks. We were much worse without than with him.

the entire reason i want him out of here is because i want a LEADER to replace him who doesn't have those attitude problems & who'll be a CONTRIBUTOR to team chemistry & not a cause of the lack of it... is that clear enough for you or do i need to go into the specific reasons again as to why i think Marbury's a negative presence on this roster?
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