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SkyWalker
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3/9/2006  1:13 AM
Who would you prefer to have? This Ellis looks like a promisng young player.
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3/9/2006  8:30 AM
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3/9/2006  8:49 AM
Unfortunatley, I wasn't registered on this site during the draft, But I was hoping the Knicks would take Ellis with the 21st pick. Ellis was projected to be a lotto pick until some doctor supposedly found something in his knee. I was shocked when they took Nate Robinson. Ellis had and has far more potential.
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3/9/2006  9:04 AM
from NBADRaft.Net:
Weaknesses: A tweener ... Lacks great size for the 2 guard position ... Doesn’t have the skills needed to play point … Desperately needs to put on weight as he’s rail thin ... A team will need to be patient with him since he isn't physically strong enough to handle the physical play of the NBA and especially a long season ... Could have trouble guarding bigger off guards ... Shot can be inconsistent at times

we already have Crawford... i'd rather have Nate, who brings different things to the table, namely toughness & a defensive mindset... he's still got a long ways to go, but i definitely can still see Nate becoming a valuable role player on any NBA team.
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3/9/2006  9:24 AM
Agreed. Ellis isn't a true point. Just another undersized SG.
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3/9/2006  1:11 PM
Tell you the truth, I did not know who Nate was till BRIGGS started comparing him to Dwayne Wade. I wanted Johan Petro.
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3/9/2006  1:50 PM
I wanted Gomes.....He fell all the way to the second round for no reason.....The Knicks needed a point at the time though.

As far as Nate? Dude hasn't even been asked to play point guard. Brown says he isn't a point.....duh!!! Anyone can see that but Nate has to be converted and force to be a point guard....not play off the ball. The dude is 5'9".

Still Ellis or Nate? It's tough. Both guys have some serious balls. I have seen Ellis make some serious athletic plays both defensively and offensively. So I'd say it's even.....you can't even give the edge to either cuz Nate's heart makes up for any restrictions you would give him.
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3/9/2006  3:10 PM
i told of Ellis, and people laughed. Oh well
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3/9/2006  11:58 PM

Monta Ellis is quickly becoming one of my favorite Warriors.

The 20-year-old rookie is making the most of his increased playing time. But it’s not that he’s been impressive, but how he’s been impressive.

Ellis, who once scored 72 points in a high school game and averaged nearly 40 as a senior, isn’t making noises on offense.

Instead, he’s doing it the less fashionable way – on defense. He’s been so good that I believe the rookie is the Warriors best defender right now.

I didn’t say he has the “potential” to be a great defender. I’m saying he’s there right now.

Against Utah, Jim Barnett said it perfectly when he said that Ellis “dogged” Deron Williams. Williams, who had 13 points after three quarters, didn’t score again the rest of the way with Ellis guarding him.

He bothered Williams as dribbled the ball up the court, causing the shot clock to wind down to around 15 before Williams began to set up the offense.

If I didn’t know anything about last summer’s draft, and someone told me that one guy was taken third overall and the other guy 40th, I would have said with confidence that Ellis was the guy taken third.

The following game against Orlando, Ellis played 18 minutes and completely shut down his man. At one point, Carlos Arroyo was so tired of bringing the ball up court with Ellis all over him that he started to look to pass from his own backcourt.

Against the Spurs, Monta bothered Tony Parker. Against the Lakers, he guarded Kobe a couple of times, stayed in front of him and made Kobe take tough shots.

I love the way Monta thinks on the court. He knows that you win with defense. He understands that if you take care of business on the defensive end, the offense will come.

The only other Warriors who are known for defense are Mickael Pietrus and Adonal Foyle. Here’s the difference: Pietrus has a basketball IQ of negative 50, and Foyle’s offensive deficiencies overshadow his defense.

Ellis has a very high basketball IQ, and he has the skills to be a monster on offense. He’s so quick that when his outside shot becomes more consistent (and it’s a matter of when, not if), he will be impossible to guard 1-on-1.

But right now, he’s deferring on offense and putting his stamp on defense. He’s affecting the game so much that Mike Montgomery has to give him minutes. (Of course as I’m writing this, Ellis has played exactly zero minutes in the first half against Minnesota. Sometimes Montgomery makes me want to bang my head against a wall.)

It was Ellis – not Diogu or Chris Taft – who was the Warriors’ best player in the Summer League.

Now he’s proving that it wasn’t a fluke.
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3/10/2006  2:53 PM
Posted by SkyWalker:


Monta Ellis is quickly becoming one of my favorite Warriors.

The 20-year-old rookie is making the most of his increased playing time. But it’s not that he’s been impressive, but how he’s been impressive.

Ellis, who once scored 72 points in a high school game and averaged nearly 40 as a senior, isn’t making noises on offense.

Instead, he’s doing it the less fashionable way – on defense. He’s been so good that I believe the rookie is the Warriors best defender right now.

I didn’t say he has the “potential” to be a great defender. I’m saying he’s there right now.

Against Utah, Jim Barnett said it perfectly when he said that Ellis “dogged” Deron Williams. Williams, who had 13 points after three quarters, didn’t score again the rest of the way with Ellis guarding him.

He bothered Williams as dribbled the ball up the court, causing the shot clock to wind down to around 15 before Williams began to set up the offense.

If I didn’t know anything about last summer’s draft, and someone told me that one guy was taken third overall and the other guy 40th, I would have said with confidence that Ellis was the guy taken third.

The following game against Orlando, Ellis played 18 minutes and completely shut down his man. At one point, Carlos Arroyo was so tired of bringing the ball up court with Ellis all over him that he started to look to pass from his own backcourt.

Against the Spurs, Monta bothered Tony Parker. Against the Lakers, he guarded Kobe a couple of times, stayed in front of him and made Kobe take tough shots.

I love the way Monta thinks on the court. He knows that you win with defense. He understands that if you take care of business on the defensive end, the offense will come.

The only other Warriors who are known for defense are Mickael Pietrus and Adonal Foyle. Here’s the difference: Pietrus has a basketball IQ of negative 50, and Foyle’s offensive deficiencies overshadow his defense.

Ellis has a very high basketball IQ, and he has the skills to be a monster on offense. He’s so quick that when his outside shot becomes more consistent (and it’s a matter of when, not if), he will be impossible to guard 1-on-1.

But right now, he’s deferring on offense and putting his stamp on defense. He’s affecting the game so much that Mike Montgomery has to give him minutes. (Of course as I’m writing this, Ellis has played exactly zero minutes in the first half against Minnesota. Sometimes Montgomery makes me want to bang my head against a wall.)

It was Ellis – not Diogu or Chris Taft – who was the Warriors’ best player in the Summer League.

Now he’s proving that it wasn’t a fluke.

I would agree with most of this.....I have been paying attention to Ellis since this thread was made and the dude is pretty good. Defensively he is really impressive. He gets off the ground nicely too.
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3/10/2006  4:31 PM
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3/10/2006  6:50 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

i told of Ellis, and people laughed. Oh well


How many times did you see him play before the draft?
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3/12/2006  12:45 PM
Briggs, i have been watching Monta Ellis since he was a 9th grader. He is the cousin of a friend of mines. I have eaten with the kid. Played ball against the kid. Bought him gym shoes. Took pictures with him., etc.

I expressed how the Knicks should take this kid the year BEFORE the draft.

He will be a very good basketball player.

I think the Mickey D's performance kinda took him off the radar. But the guy is the TRUTH. Has always been.

He has mad range. Explosiveness. And loves to play Defense.

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3/12/2006  12:49 PM
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Posted by bigpimpin:

Briggs, i have been watching Monta Ellis since he was a 9th grader. He is the cousin of a friend of mines. I have eaten with the kid. Played ball against the kid. Bought him gym shoes. Took pictures with him., etc.

I expressed how the Knicks should take this kid the year BEFORE the draft.

He will be a very good basketball player.

I think the Mickey D's performance kinda took him off the radar. But the guy is the TRUTH. Has always been.

He has mad range. Explosiveness. And loves to play Defense.




Im sorry, must've missed all those posts you made on him.
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3/12/2006  12:55 PM
No big deal. I made a post about him, but it quickly became a post on Gerald Green.

But then again, I posted regularly on another website.

Do you know what is scarier? His brother, Antwan Ellis was 6'9 and much better than him but -- he "lost his mind" over a longtime girlfriend, and haven't been "right" since.

But yes, Monta is the truth. He signed with Mississippi State but instead chose to go pro due to a conversation he says he had with Jay Bilas.

True story.

I even tried to get him to post on this site, once. When he was in high school.
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