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TheSage
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3/1/2006  10:04 AM
March 1, 2006-NY Times
As Francis Starts Over, Knicks Seem a Good Fit
By HOWARD BECK

The staid look was familiar to anyone who had followed the circuitous career of Steve Francis. Nearly seven years ago, Francis walked across a stage at the MCI Center in Washington and entered his N.B.A. career with a blank expression.

No smile, no fist pump, no twinkle in the eye. Francis had been drafted by the Vancouver Grizzlies, and he did not hide his disappointment.

Seven nights ago, Francis sat at a table at Madison Square Garden, making his first appearance as a Knick after a trade with Orlando. Everything — the team, the time, the circumstances — was different. Only the expression seemed the same. No smile, no twinkle.

It was a strange first impression, and given the sorry state of the Knicks, it caused some understandable consternation: Did Francis want to be here? Or would this be merely another brief and unhappy stop on his rambling N.B.A. path?

"I was fatigued," Francis explained, waving off any doubts. The news conference was, in fact, the endpoint of what Francis called "not the worst two weeks of my life, but it was the most draining time."

His relationship with the Magic had soured. Trade speculation had Francis landing in Denver, Minneapolis, Los Angeles or New York. He had a fiancée and a 6-month-old daughter to consider. Then came a whirlwind day in which Francis attended a morning meeting with the Magic in East Rutherford, N.J., spent three hours on the phone getting updates from his agent, Jeff Fried, and, finally, made the trek through the Lincoln Tunnel and headed straight to his news conference.

"There was a lot that happened within the 12-13 hours before I was traded," he said.

The intrigue, the mixed feelings, the multiple destinations and the exhaustion made for a nice microcosm of Francis's career.

He is starting over, again. The Knicks are Francis's fourth N.B.A. team, including one he never played for, the Grizzlies. From high school through college, he played for six different schools.

That makes 10 new beginnings in 13 years, enough to make anyone road weary. So here is the truth, Francis said: He is not only happy to be with the Knicks, despite their ghastly record, but he also wants to be with them for the long haul.

Fried called the Knicks "our first preference by far" when the trade became inevitable. Indeed, Francis said he felt it was partly the rough edges that made the Knicks attractive to him. Francis is owed $62.5 million over next four years, not counting this year.

"I know it probably sounds crazy," he said. "I'm a guy, I have scars as far as the things I've been through in my career. Just like Coach Brown, just like Isiah Thomas, just like Stephon Marbury, just like a lot of players on our team."

It was a surprising explanation. But then, nothing in Francis's life has been easy or predictable. He grew up in Takoma Park, Md., with little money and no father. Francis was reared by his mother, Brenda Wilson, who died of cancer in 1995, and by his grandmother, Mabel Wilson.

His mother's death left him so disconsolate, he gave up basketball for two years. It was the first of many detours in his jagged career path.

Francis led two junior colleges — San Jacinto (Tex.) in 1997 and Allegany (Md.) in 1998 — to undefeated seasons and berths in the national junior college tournament.

By the time he signed with Maryland in 1998, he was entering his sixth program in six years. He led the Terrapins to 28 victories and a Round of 16 berth in 1999.

"He was very unselfish," Maryland Coach Gary Williams said. "I think he averaged 13 shots a game, and he could have taken 20 a game with his individual skills."

N.B.A. scouts were not sure how to classify Francis — as a shoot-first point guard or as an undersized shooting guard — but his gifts were clear. He had a 43-inch vertical leap, the instincts of a running back and the fearlessness of a street fighter.

Francis's first move as a pro was a crossover dribble. Taken No. 2 over all in the draft, by the Vancouver Grizzlies, Francis demanded to be traded.

Two months later, Francis joined the Houston Rockets in an 11-player deal. He was criticized on both sides of the border as a pouting prima donna, an image he has fought ever since.

"He rubbed me the wrong way when he came into the league and demanded that Vancouver trade him," Scottie Pippen, the former Bulls star, told NBA.com after the trade last week.

Francis said, "There are situations that happened, things you have to mature from."

In five seasons with Houston, his teams won 34, 45, 28, 43 and 45 games. He teamed with Cuttino Mobley in a frenetic, high-scoring backcourt that ranked among the best statistically in the league. For four seasons under Coach Rudy Tomjanovich, Francis was given free rein.

But everything changed when the easygoing, player-friendly Tomjanovich was replaced by the controlling and uptight Jeff Van Gundy.

Van Gundy helped guide Francis to his lone playoff appearance (a 4-1 series loss to the Los Angeles Lakers), but Francis was gone two months later, traded to Orlando in a package for Tracy McGrady.

"Jeff wanted to trade him a soon as Jeff took the job," said Knicks forward Maurice Taylor, who played for four and a half seasons with the Rockets. "Jeff ran a type of system that he didn't really want most of the scoring to come from his point guard."

Under Van Gundy, Francis averaged a career-low 16.6 points a game, down from 21 the previous two seasons. Francis seethed. He said he saw the experience differently now.

"I've matured so much," he said.

He once felt the need to be his team's top scorer, but now Francis said he was comfortable playing a more complementary role. Referring to Van Gundy, he said, "It took me a year or two to realize that he was just trying to help his team get better and help me get better."

Yet there was another bad ending in Orlando. On Jan. 11, Francis defied Coach Brian Hill, refusing to re-enter the game in the final minutes of a blowout loss to Seattle. He was suspended for two games, prompting the trade talks that culminated with last week's deal.

"He was eager to get out of the situation he was in," Mobley, now with the Clippers, said by phone.

So Francis, who bounced through a half-dozen schools, who forced his way out of Canada and who was kicked out of Houston, was on the move again.

"I still have time left in my career that I can help this team win games and get to places that they haven't been in a long time," Francis said. "One of my goals is to leave the Garden with my jersey hanging from the rafters. When I got traded, I went into the gym and I was looking up at the history, the legacy of that arena. Now that I'm one of them, I'm thinking what can I do to get myself up there, what can I do to help my team get one of those banners."
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3/1/2006  10:31 AM
Look, to me its about the role players that will or will not make this thing work. I've had a lot of conversations off line with a couple members on the board regarding this. I think talent wise there are a few pieces that can be made to fit together. A young froncourt featuring Frye, Lee and Curry. A dynamic backcourt featuring Marbury and Francis. However to get this to be effective you MUST MUST MUST put the defensive blue collar guys next to them.

I'm not going to talk about Artest or any stars. Just some tough blue collar guys
sign Reggie Evans to the full MLE. He's an Oakley/Rodman hybrid. He doesnt have Ben Wallace's wingspan but he's just as big and strong.
trade Crawford and the Denver pick for Kenny Thomas. The contract lengths are very similar and I think the Kings will take a shot at getting younger plus the pick. We give up "talent" and get something we really need.

Curry/Frye
Evans/Lee/Malik
Kenny T/Rose
Francis/QRich
Marbury/Nate

baby steps. I think you all would be suprised to see how effective a line up with Marbury/Francis/Malik/Kenny/Reggie could be. Lee and Frye give you some young legs with skill. Curry can just clean up the offensive glass. He and Frye would always have a veteran tough guy that can really rebound to play next too. I think its all the difference in the world.

Just my opinion.

Or we can drink koolaid, trade anything we have thats worth a fart in the wind and get KG for a 3-4 run to the 2nd round of the playoffs until his knee's give out <puke>
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TheSage
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3/1/2006  10:34 AM
Can't argue with you. Just note that MRose has the right attitude but not the hops to do the job.
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3/1/2006  10:43 AM
I'm still stuck on the notion that AD was filling exactly the role that Fish just described and that he was a big reason that Curry was more effective earlier.

Anyone have thoughts on this?
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3/1/2006  10:47 AM
Posted by Marv:

I'm still stuck on the notion that AD was filling exactly the role that Fish just described and that he was a big reason that Curry was more effective earlier.

Anyone have thoughts on this?

which is why the kurt thomas deal is looking worse and worse. i love q1 and i love nate but man, kurt AND AD on this team would've made this a COMPLETELY different season.
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3/1/2006  10:50 AM
He has been consistently inconsistent all season. I dont see that much of a difference from the begining of the season to now.
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3/1/2006  10:56 AM
AD did a great job here. Curry took time to get into shape, and he does look good these days.

Curry needs a certain type of player next to him to add value.

Reggie evens is Malik Rose. Malik is playing the SF which he is too slow for. Reggie is also kinda small. We need a banger.

We need to tweak this team with role players. Jamal or nate must go and we need a pass first point in that place. We need a banger also, and we need to solve the SF spot.
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3/1/2006  11:01 AM
Posted by TheSage:

Can't argue with you. Just note that MRose has the right attitude but not the hops to do the job.
Malik would be a great 12-18 minute a night bench player for us in that kind of scenario. There's a reason they loved in SA. When your playing with a couple other guys willing to lay it out there its a lot different.
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3/1/2006  11:05 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Reggie evens is Malik Rose. Malik is playing the SF which he is too slow for. Reggie is also kinda small. We need a banger.
I havent seen many Seattle games this season but I watched quite a few last year and Evans can bang. He is 6'9 but plays like he is 7'1. The good part is that he does not give up on a rebound. I think Evans is exactly the kinda player we need next to Curry/Frye

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3/1/2006  11:09 AM
Posted by Nalod:

AD did a great job here. Curry took time to get into shape, and he does look good these days.

Curry needs a certain type of player next to him to add value.

Reggie evens is Malik Rose. Malik is playing the SF which he is too slow for. Reggie is also kinda small. We need a banger.

We need to tweak this team with role players. Jamal or nate must go and we need a pass first point in that place. We need a banger also, and we need to solve the SF spot.






could not disagree more. Reggie is the uber banger and hustle player. He's built like a rock and is as strong as one. Best rebounding rate in the NBA



[Edited by - fishmike on 03-01-2006 11:11 AM]
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3/1/2006  11:09 AM
What does Evans do that Lee doesn't? No need to spend money
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3/1/2006  11:10 AM
Posted by Nalod:

AD did a great job here. Curry took time to get into shape, and he does look good these days.

Curry needs a certain type of player next to him to add value.

Reggie evens is Malik Rose. Malik is playing the SF which he is too slow for. Reggie is also kinda small. We need a banger.

We need to tweak this team with role players. Jamal or nate must go and we need a pass first point in that place. We need a banger also, and we need to solve the SF spot.

Agreed.

Fish- I agree with your philosophy, but I disagree with you player choice.

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3/1/2006  11:13 AM
Kenny Thomas is still reasonably young, thrived under LB and can play both forward spots. Reggie Evans IMO is on the cusp of being one of the league's elite rebounders.

Doesnt have to be sexy to work. Both would be reasonably priced
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3/1/2006  11:14 AM
Posted by MS:

What does Evans do that Lee doesn't? No need to spend money
Same. I think Lee with playing time is the way to go. I wouldnt mind Evans though.
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3/1/2006  11:20 AM
Its not about being sexy. Lee and Rose do everything that Thomas and Evans do for the most part.

Lee is every bit as athletic as Thomas and makes less money. When Lee was starting, he was consitantly grabbing double figure rebs.

Evans is a good rebounder, but doesn't do much else. Horrible Free throw shooter and is a total liability on the O. At least Oak would throw in an occasional 15 footer.
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3/1/2006  11:22 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by MS:

What does Evans do that Lee doesn't? No need to spend money
Same. I think Lee with playing time is the way to go. I wouldnt mind Evans though.
here's the thing. Larry said himself he wanted FOUR guys that can defend the post. To me this is the kind of player we should be stocking up on, instead we stock up on guys that shoot 39% from losing teams. Basicly I want to have 2 of these guys on the floor at all time playing next to 3 scorers.

I want Lee, Evans AND Kenny T. I dont mind giving up the picks either. We still have Jackie at 19-20 years old. Sign him and let him keep working. If someone gets hurt call his name. If we get a new GM that buys out big snacks then maybe JB can step in.

I think the above mentioned trio playing with Curry, Frye, Marbury and Francis makes for a pretty solid group, especially coached by LB

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3/1/2006  11:23 AM
Posted by bigbeast:

Its not about being sexy. Lee and Rose do everything that Thomas and Evans do for the most part.

Lee is every bit as athletic as Thomas and makes less money. When Lee was starting, he was consitantly grabbing double figure rebs.

Evans is a good rebounder, but doesn't do much else. Horrible Free throw shooter and is a total liability on the O. At least Oak would throw in an occasional 15 footer.
Funnmy they said the same thing about Ben Wallace when they got him back in the Grant Hill trade

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3/1/2006  11:28 AM
Evans is a great target in the off season. I don't know, I think he might get more than the MLE from someone like Atlanta or Chicago though. The free agent market is thin this year and for teams that need D and rebounding, Evans is a mid-price target that fills a lot of needs. Heck, Toronto could go after him too.

The Kenny Thomas trade is interesting. I don't know his defense very well, but he's a solid player that would seem to fit here. I doubt the Kings would take Craw's deal though. I don't think anyone in the league would take Crawford right now unless they were dumping major salary in our laps.
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3/1/2006  11:32 AM
Kenny Thomas is a more athletic Kurt Thomas. He may not lock anyone down, but he's going to play hard and good defense on every single possetion. He's got a good jumper and some effective moves around the basket.
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3/1/2006  11:39 AM
Kenny Thomas would certainly be a good move. Tough guy. I'd go for him.
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