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8/11/2002  7:47 PM
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?topic=77547&forum=24&56

supposedly happenning monday:

NEW YORK KNICKS TRADE
PF-C KURT THOMAS
PG CHARLIE WARD
PF OTHELLO HARRINGTON
THE RIGHTS TO MILOS VUJANIC AND A FUTURE NUMBER 1

TO THE MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES FOR
C- LORENZEN WRIGHT
PG JASON WILLIAMS
PF STROMILE SWIFT

1)We all know West is not going to keep a lot of players that are on that roster. He's made no secret about wanting to get rid of Swift and Williams.

2)Ward with 1 yr left is better then Williams with 5.

3)KT has a reasonable contract and can play PF as well as sometime at Center. He is tough, experienced and most importantly for that team has a reasonable contract with only 2 yrs left.

4)Othella has a cap-friendly contract

5)Memphis has big money committed to Wright and Williams right now. Next year is one of the best free agency pools in a long time. Freeing up cap space makes Memphis a really big player in Free Agency. Why? Because of Pau Gasol, Battier, Gooden...They have a nice young nucleus and oh, by the way, the best general manager in the game. He will be a player.

6)We are win now, Memphis can wait. Memphis isn't looking to win this year. As a matter of fact, one more year in the lottery is perfect for them. They get a shot at LeBron James and after making this trade have $$$ for free agents. By 2003-2004, they can be a legit force.

7) Since they don't have to win now, they can give Trybanski (their new Polish center) this year to get as much playing time as possible. Remember it was West who drafted Vladi and groomed him for the NBA. He did it by throwing him in as soon as possible and making him learn.

Finally, we take back a lot of salary for a lot of years and get a decent young player in Swift, who we hope will fit into our future plans.

It's not as unreasonable as it looks when you break it down. Is it fair on paper? Well, we benefit right away, so it doesn't look that way. However, down the road it will help Memphis accomplish their goals. They would take one step back, so they can go two steps forward next year. That's what a smart GM would do.....Alas, West is out to play us again.

But look at our lineup:

PG Jason Williams/Frank Williams
SG Allan Houston/Lavor Postell
SF Latrell Sprewell/Shandon Anderson
PF Antonio McDyess/Stromile Swift/Clarence Weatherspoon
C Lorenzen Wright/Michael Doleac/Travis Knight

...DOLAN AND LAYDEN JUST TRYING TO GIVE WARD BUT WEST WANTS EISLEY AND POSTELL INSTEAD...

this works
knicks lineup

Jason Williams
Allan Houston
Latrell Sprewell
Antonio McDyess
Lorenzen Wright

back ups

Howard Eisley
Lavor Postell
Shandon Anderson
Stromile Swift
Tony Massenburg

i'm just posting the vital info from this alleged trade... i take no responsibility for the veracity of any of this - much like Peter Vescey and all his columns. If this happens, it'll be curious. we get saddled with more contract, and Jason Williams is basically untradeable again - I'd rather have VanX than Jason Williams. And I don't want to give up Milos. But getting Lorenzen Wright and Stro Swift could be solid (i don't like the idea of giving up Harrington though - because of so much we gave up for him already - ugh!).

Lorenzen is solid at center in the East. he played center for ATL when Mutombo was out with Malaria. He was injured for much of last season though...
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8/11/2002  8:16 PM
The person who wrote that makes little sense. He says the Grizzlies want expiring contracts, then says Dolan and Layden are giving up Ward when West wants Eisley and Postell. Then, at the end of the post the guy mentions Tony Massenburg, I'm assuming he meant Wright.

As for the trade, I still haven't seen Milos play, but I'm reluctant to give up his rights and a number 1, make West pick one of the two. Other then that, I'm all for it. Williams, love him or hate him, is the most exciting PG to watch in the NBA, without a doubt. He's so creative, he just takes a ton of shots.

And why does everyone always put Postell @ 2, Anderson @ 3, and Weatherspoon @ 4. It should be Anderson @ 2, Weatherspoon @ 3, and Postell @ IR.

The lineup would be:
PG-Jason Williams, Howard Eisley, Frank Williams
SG-Allan Houston, Shandon Anderson, Lavor Postell
SF-Latrell Sprewell, Clarence Weatherspoon
PF-Antonio McDyess, Stromile Swift
C-Lorenzen Wright, Michael Doleac, Travis Knight

That is a running lineup that Chaney would want, and if the Knicks could get Williams to pass the ball instead of throwing up one of those incredibly deep and wild threes, the Knicks would be in good shape. Swift could come off the bench as a 6th man, and the starting 5 is really athletic.

If Layden did that I'd be very happy.
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8/11/2002  9:00 PM
Funny Ive been posting why we should snag stromile but I believe this rumor like I believe the sun will not come up tomorrow morning. I heard West say Williams has tremedous upside talent and that it was up to their coaching staff to hone it. If you tweeked Jason williams just a little bit he'd be more valuable then the entire list of players you are mentioning. I think it is plausible to workout something to get Stromile and if somehow Lorenzo was involved I would not be unhappy but I sincerely doubt it.
supposedly happenning monday:

NEW YORK KNICKS TRADE
PF-C KURT THOMAS
PG CHARLIE WARD
PF OTHELLO HARRINGTON
THE RIGHTS TO MILOS VUJANIC AND A FUTURE NUMBER 1

TO THE MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES FOR
C- LORENZEN WRIGHT
PG JASON WILLIAMS
PF STROMILE SWIFT

1)We all know West is not going to keep a lot of players that are on that roster. He's made no secret about wanting to get rid of Swift and Williams.

2)Ward with 1 yr left is better then Williams with 5.

3)KT has a reasonable contract and can play PF as well as sometime at Center. He is tough, experienced and most importantly for that team has a reasonable contract with only 2 yrs left.

4)Othella has a cap-friendly contract

5)Memphis has big money committed to Wright and Williams right now. Next year is one of the best free agency pools in a long time. Freeing up cap space makes Memphis a really big player in Free Agency. Why? Because of Pau Gasol, Battier, Gooden...They have a nice young nucleus and oh, by the way, the best general manager in the game. He will be a player.

6)We are win now, Memphis can wait. Memphis isn't looking to win this year. As a matter of fact, one more year in the lottery is perfect for them. They get a shot at LeBron James and after making this trade have $$$ for free agents. By 2003-2004, they can be a legit force.

7) Since they don't have to win now, they can give Trybanski (their new Polish center) this year to get as much playing time as possible. Remember it was West who drafted Vladi and groomed him for the NBA. He did it by throwing him in as soon as possible and making him learn.

Finally, we take back a lot of salary for a lot of years and get a decent young player in Swift, who we hope will fit into our future plans.

It's not as unreasonable as it looks when you break it down. Is it fair on paper? Well, we benefit right away, so it doesn't look that way. However, down the road it will help Memphis accomplish their goals. They would take one step back, so they can go two steps forward next year. That's what a smart GM would do.....Alas, West is out to play us again.

But look at our lineup:

PG Jason Williams/Frank Williams
SG Allan Houston/Lavor Postell
SF Latrell Sprewell/Shandon Anderson
PF Antonio McDyess/Stromile Swift/Clarence Weatherspoon
C Lorenzen Wright/Michael Doleac/Travis Knight

...DOLAN AND LAYDEN JUST TRYING TO GIVE WARD BUT WEST WANTS EISLEY AND POSTELL INSTEAD...

this works
knicks lineup

Jason Williams
Allan Houston
Latrell Sprewell
Antonio McDyess
Lorenzen Wright

back ups

Howard Eisley
Lavor Postell
Shandon Anderson
Stromile Swift
Tony Massenburg
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i'm just posting the vital info from this alleged trade... i take no responsibility for the veracity of any of this - much like Peter Vescey and all his columns. If this happens, it'll be curious. we get saddled with more contract, and Jason Williams is basically untradeable again - I'd rather have VanX than Jason Williams. And I don't want to give up Milos. But getting Lorenzen Wright and Stro Swift could be solid (i don't like the idea of giving up Harrington though - because of so much we gave up for him already - ugh!).

Lorenzen is solid at center in the East. he played center for ATL when Mutombo was out with Malaria. He was injured for much of last season though...
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8/11/2002  9:23 PM
I like this trade alot. But i doubt it will happen, unless West is looking to tank the season, but then again, that makes no sense either, because Memphis's draft pick is owed to the Pistons? Maybe the future NY number 1 is next years to compensate for there own going to the Pistons??

And who will play C for the Grizz?? KT can in the east, but the west is a much different story. That Polish guy they signed will still be to raw, and Gasol is not "heavy" enough to hold his own yet.
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8/12/2002  7:50 AM
I cant see Memphis dealing with the Knicks. Memphis wants either a upgrade in talent or expiring contracts. Only 1 contract mentioned expires thsi season. The few team I can see them seriously trading with is Indiana, Cleaveland, Chicago, and Golgen State.
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8/12/2002  7:52 AM
So whats with Memphis giving 3 of their 5 starters from last season for 1 starter whos too short for center. Lorenzen Wright is their only center on the whole team technically.
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8/12/2002  11:09 AM
Swift didn't start for them.
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8/12/2002  12:34 PM
To put it in perspective, this trade originally appeared on the nbadraft.net forum, posted--in all caps, mind you, plus a liberal use of the word 'yo'--by someone claiming to be a Cablevision employee with inside information. Boring.
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8/12/2002  3:45 PM
Posted by scylla:

To put it in perspective, this trade originally appeared on the nbadraft.net forum, posted--in all caps, mind you, plus a liberal use of the word 'yo'--by someone claiming to be a Cablevision employee with inside information. Boring.

Look for it to be announced by Layden and Cablevision soon ;-) hahaha
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8/12/2002  5:08 PM
Posted by scylla:

To put it in perspective, this trade originally appeared on the nbadraft.net forum, posted--in all caps, mind you, plus a liberal use of the word 'yo'--by someone claiming to be a Cablevision employee with inside information. Boring.

LOL, ah the old 'yo' and caps meter of reading posts. Don't spell it out too clearly or the young'uns will catch on quickly.
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8/12/2002  5:26 PM
I love this deal but doubt it's going to happen. This would make us one of the top teams in the east if not the very best. We would be very young, have a nice center, improvement at the point, and have a young player coming off the bench to look forward to. The only big piece of the puzzle we give up is Thomas.
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8/12/2002  6:35 PM
Another pipe dream. Jerry West didn't become the best GM in the business because he made trades like this. Face it Scott I HATEHIM will never get the best of Jerry West in a trade. He couldn't get the best of the deal when he was bidding against himself. For example Eisley, Anderson, Spoon. Need I say more.
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8/12/2002  7:52 PM
Eisley and Anderson were signed to such long term contracts to make the Glen Rice sign-and-trade work, so he wasn't bidding against himself there. Only Houston and Weatherspoon were bad contracts from free agency.
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8/12/2002  8:15 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

Eisley and Anderson were signed to such long term contracts to make the Glen Rice sign-and-trade work, so he wasn't bidding against himself there. Only Houston and Weatherspoon were bad contracts from free agency.

Glen Rice had a 4-yr deal. Why did Layden have to sign Eisley and Anderson to 5 and 6 yr deals? I also thought that only salary had to match when working a trade, not length of contract.
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8/12/2002  8:25 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by scylla:

To put it in perspective, this trade originally appeared on the nbadraft.net forum, posted--in all caps, mind you, plus a liberal use of the word 'yo'--by someone claiming to be a Cablevision employee with inside information. Boring.

LOL, ah the old 'yo' and caps meter of reading posts. Don't spell it out too clearly or the young'uns will catch on quickly.
Exactly, I have been on that site for a while and that is a hot topic, but it if full of BS!!! It is monday evening, the trade didn't happen and layden is now on vacation sipping on some pina coladas and looking at bikini's as his glasses fog up...LOL!!!
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8/12/2002  8:58 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by martin:
Posted by scylla:

To put it in perspective, this trade originally appeared on the nbadraft.net forum, posted--in all caps, mind you, plus a liberal use of the word 'yo'--by someone claiming to be a Cablevision employee with inside information. Boring.

LOL, ah the old 'yo' and caps meter of reading posts. Don't spell it out too clearly or the young'uns will catch on quickly.
Exactly, I have been on that site for a while and that is a hot topic, but it if full of BS!!! It is monday evening, the trade didn't happen and layden is now on vacation sipping on some pina coladas and looking at bikini's as his glasses fog up...LOL!!!
the thought of layden's glasses fogging up cracks me up
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8/13/2002  3:05 PM
Posted by LJ2:
Posted by BigSm00th:

Eisley and Anderson were signed to such long term contracts to make the Glen Rice sign-and-trade work, so he wasn't bidding against himself there. Only Houston and Weatherspoon were bad contracts from free agency.

Glen Rice had a 4-yr deal. Why did Layden have to sign Eisley and Anderson to 5 and 6 yr deals? I also thought that only salary had to match when working a trade, not length of contract.
You are correct. Length of contracts don't have to match.
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