Posted by Marv:

Eny, what about this Jalen/Stevie BS with Zeke? This is what pushed me over the edge. He doesn't seem like he's ever going to get it. He keeps compounding his mistakes and sticking us with more starphucking losers that cost more money than everyone on this board together would ever see in the next 5 lifetimes.

Brown wanted those guys too.

I don't care about the money cuz I'm not the one paying these guys. The talent is there.....but there is no system.....it's like Brown forgot how to coach. When you want old Pacer games Brown was just a genius as far as getting his player open shots and working with what he had.

As a coach you just can't pout about your players when you already have the talent. You have to adapt to what you have.

Look at Rudy T. from when he had Hakeem to when he had Francis.......the style of play was just night and day. He had to adapt to what he had on the court. He didn't kill his players he just did his job.

Getting a new GM will not stop the endless trades......Isiah has proved he can make trades and get the best out of every deal. If Brown has to be here then Isiah should be here too.....Brown has his wish list and Isiah will get him the players he wants. I think we all can agree to that....so why should Isiah be fired?

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Marv:

Eny, what about this Jalen/Stevie BS with Zeke? This is what pushed me over the edge. He doesn't seem like he's ever going to get it. He keeps compounding his mistakes and sticking us with more starphucking losers that cost more money than everyone on this board together would ever see in the next 5 lifetimes.

Brown wanted those guys too.

I don't care about the money cuz I'm not the one paying these guys. The talent is there.....but there is no system.....it's like Brown forgot how to coach. When you want old Pacer games Brown was just a genius as far as getting his player open shots and working with what he had.

As a coach you just can't pout about your players when you already have the talent. You have to adapt to what you have.

Look at Rudy T. from when he had Hakeem to when he had Francis.......the style of play was just night and day. He had to adapt to what he had on the court. He didn't kill his players he just did his job.

Getting a new GM will not stop the endless trades......Isiah has proved he can make trades and get the best out of every deal. If Brown has to be here then Isiah should be here too.....Brown has his wish list and Isiah will get him the players he wants. I think we all can agree to that....so why should Isiah be fired?

what about last season, was it lenny's fault?

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Nalod:

It turned to $hit when KVH left the building!

whats actually funny is that the closest thing to an actual "team" that Isiah had was we Marbury, Frank, Shandon, KVH, Deke, Kurt, Harrington and Doleac with H20 hurt. That team actually played very well and had a nice run together. Then the rest is history.

WOW! Isiah should be fired for breaking up that potential title contending team.

that would be awesome. Then Isiah can talk his jive about how talented his group is or we can dump his ass after he falls on his face. Either way Knick fans win.

Posted by BasketballJones:

We focus too much on individuals. This coach, or that GM should be fired. The whole Knicks system is dysfunctional.

Very well put!



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-28-2006 2:37 PM]

The ultimate call is with the owner, not GM, on every one of those decisions you listed above.

lol indeed

Somehow I believe that Zeke/Brown/Dolan have already spoken about the way the team is playing, and it's a safe bet they're on the 'wait for after summer' wagon together, and these losses mean less to them than they do to us - they HAVE To be thinking that way or else the Francis trade wouldn't have gone thru, I think. What I want most is for Stevie to end this season playing (showcase) well -

Posted by Bonn1997:

The ultimate call is with the owner, not GM, on every one of those decisions you listed above.

yea, well Dolan says yes you can add payroll or no you cant add payroll. I agree with you point that far. You couldnt convince me in 1000 years (cause its not true) that Dolan said go get Jerome James. Go get Mo Taylor. Sign Crawford to $50mm. Go get Francis. Go get Marbury. Thats what he's paying Isiah millions of dollars for. To make the basketball decisions. Thats why Isiah's title is PRESIDENT of basketball operations.

It baffles me that at this point people still look to make excuses or defend this guy. Looking at what we had when Layden left wasnt so bad compared to this.

You know whats funny is that all the players we have NOW, all of you were saying that they were STUDS while they were on other teams, now that we have them they are just bums and its all IT's fault !! lol... thats all i van say

Posted by OngBok:

You know whats funny is that all the players we have NOW, all of you were saying that they were STUDS while they were on other teams, now that we have them they are just bums and its all IT's fault !! lol... thats all i van say

Not true. While I would say most people agreed that all our acquisitions had strong upside, there were many people who predicted things can go wrong. A lot of posters made the obvious point: if Craw is such a stud, why did the Bulls draft a bunch of guards to replace him and then trade him for nothing? Why was there no other team in play for Craw? Why did Denver, a team in desperate need of an SG, ignore him? Similarly, many echoed the same thoughts regarding Curry.

Now, I'm an optimist - so my hope was that these guys would pan out. I thought they'd play with a chip on their shoulders - them against the world. So far they haven't. Our GM is in love with reclamation projects. The sad fact is that reclamation projects fail as much as (if not more than) they succeed in this league. Today we sit with a team of reclamation projects and so far the gambles haven't paid off.

Now some people's answer is to fire LB. However, firing LB will only reinforce the idea that the players are not accountable. How far can we go with a bunch of players who rather sulk and willingly defy their coach than play with pride and the desire to win?

If people think Larry has lost the team, then that's more an indictment of the team than it is of Larry.