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Caseloads
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8/8/2002  10:43 AM
The Knicks sign Doleac, big deal
August 7, 2002

The names are exciting.

Andre Miller. Baron Davis. Darius Miles. Keith Van Horn. Dikembe Mutombo. Even Todd MacCulloch.

And the Knicks announce the signing of Michael Doleac.

The word is that Derrick Coleman is on the block in Philadelphia. At least bring him in, if not for his on-court prowess, then to be the one to say it.

Whoop-de-damn-do.

Maybe that's all a little harsh considering the Knicks already acquired Antonio McDyess on draft day. And McDyess will help without a doubt, providing a post-up threat that hasn't been seen since the day Patrick Ewing crashed to the floor and shattered his wrist.

But there are still holes in the Knicks' lineup, ones they have readily admitted to. Don Chaney has not been hesitant to state -- as if his job depended on it, which it probably does -- that the Knicks need both an interior presence and an upgrade at point guard.

What they announced Wednesday was the signing of a backup center, a 6-foot-11 outside shooter. Not only a 6-foot-11 outside shooter, but one who shot 41.7 percent last year and has made one 3-point shot in his four-year career. And if you think the 41.7 percent shooting is an aberration caused by the broken ankle that sidelined him for 30 games last year, consider that he shot exactly 41.7 in the prior year, too.

So the Knicks stand now with a 6-foot-9 starting center in Kurt Thomas and a backup whose definable skill is outside shooting. It almost makes you miss Marcus Camby.

What it really makes you do is wonder just how all these names pass over the wires, how Glenn Robinson winds up in Atlanta, how Miller is a Clipper, how Mutombo is a Net and Van Horn is a Sixer. It makes you wonder the sort of things you wondered when Stephon Marbury went from Minnesota to New Jersey, then on to Phoenix, and how players like Steve Nash and Jason Kidd and Terrell Brandon get shuttled around continually, but never wind up wearing the orange and blue.

And you wonder how the Knicks wind up with Clarence Weatherspoon, Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson and now Doleac. Doleac has value, just not the value the Knicks need. The Knicks don't need another backup center, unless they have suddenly found a taker for Travis Knight and Othella Harrington. Doleac is all right if he's a predecessor to something bigger and better.

"We're always looking to improve our team," GM Scott Layden said. "One thing we can't lose sight of is that we feel good about the team, the depth of different positions. The draft-day trade strengthened the team. If we can improve, we'll certainly look to do that. We're always trying to improve the team, wherever that may be. We're still going to explore the free-agent players that are still available and will see if there's anyone there that can help our team."

Maybe bigger and better is not what we really need to discuss here; the word is bolder. We used it to describe what Rod Thorn pulled off for the Nets on Tuesday when he dismantled the Eastern Conference champion squad he had assembled because he had a nagging feeling that it wasn't good enough.

Does anyone at Madison Square Garden believe this team is good enough to contend? If not -- and is there really any other answer? -- the Knicks need to do something. All the talk about their players not being desirable is true, but let's not believe that Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell have no value in the league. Did the Bucks really believe Toni Kukoc is more valuable than Sprewell?

Is Nick Van Exel the answer? He hasn't been anywhere else, but he's certainly a better point guard than what the Knicks have. But he just keeps the team on the merry-go-round of mediocre talent. You either get the frontline player or you go the other way.

If you can't get dollar for dollar talent, then maybe it is time to dismantle. Maybe you do take Coleman, whose massive contract expires after the season. Do you think the Knicks got McDyess at even value? What they got was a player coming off of a major injury from a team that is intent on clearing cap room. Maybe the Knicks need to be in that scrum with the Nuggets and Cavs, clearing cap room for next year's free-agent crop and positioning themselves as lottery hopefuls in the LeBron James sweepstakes.

Certainly, the moves made throughout the NBA this summer have left the Knicks no closer to the top than they were when they finished out of the playoffs last year. In a conference call Wednesday, Layden was asked about the Nets deal, almost a cruel question these days.

"I think that was an outstanding trade," Layden said. "You look at the Nets, and adding Mutombo to that great team has certainly done a lot to help themselves. Dikembe is a premier player in the middle and can dominate play on the defensive end. Give them credit. Looking at the trade, it certainly shows you how strong the Nets are and how deep they are to go out and get a player like that. The great draft pick of Richard Jefferson made that possible, having a player ready to step up."

Layden then was asked about his own pursuit of Mutombo and he brushed off the question. "As you know, we don't discuss our discussions with other teams," Layden said glumly. "Right now, that's the Nets team and you wish them well."

They don't need the well wishes, though. The Nets have Mutombo and Chris Childs. The Sixers have Van Horn and MacCulloch. The Knicks, they've got Doleac and patience.


Layden is trying. Ask any GM around the league and they say no one has been busier or more persistent in his efforts to revamp his team. But the Knicks still have Charlie Ward and Eisley at the point and a 6-foot-9 center, not to mention a surgically-repaired power forward and a pair of stars no one else considers to be very bright anymore. On second thought, maybe the Knicks are already in the LeBron James sweepstakes.


[Edited by - caseloads on 08/08/2002 10:44:26]
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8/8/2002  10:50 AM
Steve Popper is a moron.

He's totally downplaying the signing of Mcdyess.

Yeah, the Knicks are going to tank the year and get the #1 pick.

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8/8/2002  10:57 AM
Posted by Dan1078:

Steve Popper is a moron.

He's totally downplaying the signing of Mcdyess.

Yeah, the Knicks are going to tank the year and get the #1 pick.

Dolt
i usually think he is - but I can't see the knicks going anywhere unless Dice literally carries the team the entire season - and he never took Denver anywhere, and the East is pretty stacked this year, after all these trades, teams have improved, even if only marginally.
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8/8/2002  11:02 AM
Cant see the Knicks going anywhere? Caseloads, you call yourself a Knick fan?

The Knicks would have gone places last year, if Camby didnt get hurt.

And now Layden has replaced him with Mcdyess, who is a better player.

And Its only August and he's not even done yet!

Show some heart, man.
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8/8/2002  11:12 AM
Posted by Dan1078:

Cant see the Knicks going anywhere? Caseloads, you call yourself a Knick fan?

The Knicks would have gone places last year, if Camby didnt get hurt.

And now Layden has replaced him with Mcdyess, who is a better player.

And Its only August and he's not even done yet!

Show some heart, man.
I am a knicks fan. I want us to go places - but I'm also realistic. Everyone else in the conference has improved (even Cleveland - they got Wagner and Miles this year - an upgrade over their team last year, despite losing Miller.) Miami got Butler, all the teams have gotten healthy (even Hill is supposedly healed)

Camby was our center, and I admit, he was GREAT when healthy. We need a Center that can do things and while we have two huge holes in our starting lineup at Center and PG, the two hardest spots to fill, we honestly aren't going anywhere. Remember - Ward's knees are indeed GONE (not evidenced last season, but the season before) and Eisley can't lead this team, unfortunately.

If we can make some moves to get at least a decent starting center, i'll say we are going somewhere. On the list:

Dampier
Foyle
Dale Davis
Ostertag (a longshot)
Bradley
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8/8/2002  1:18 PM
You're ridiculous, Caseloads. You're saying that just because teams make additions, liek Cleveland acquiring Miles and Wagner, that they're better than the Knicks.

I have news for you, the Cavs have always sucked. And they still suck.

Hopefully the Knicks will pull off a big trade, but even if Eisley and Thomas are starting at the respective 1 and 5, I still think that
the Knicks can advance far in the playoffs. Thats called optimisitc realism.

Quit all of your Knick bashing, traitor.
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8/8/2002  3:18 PM
Also some people are forgetting that the Knicks even without Camby were playing decent ball (4th or 5th seed in the East) until Van Gundy checked out! Everyone forgets how huge this was. Our coach split mid-season. There's no way we were going to make the playoffs after that, especially since Camby got injured again. I think the team is not as bad as people think. We will make the playoffs. And once we do you never know what’s going to happen. The East is still wide open.
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8/8/2002  4:00 PM
Alright NWNY

I like your attitude. The two key factors contributing to last years
dismal saeson was in fact Camby's injury and Van Gundy's departure.

Coach Chaney has a full year to work with teh team and McDYess
is healthy, so I say the Knicks are going to have a productive year.
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8/8/2002  4:30 PM
Posted by Dan1078:

Alright NWNY

I like your attitude. The two key factors contributing to last years
dismal saeson was in fact Camby's injury and Van Gundy's departure.

Coach Chaney has a full year to work with teh team and McDYess
is healthy, so I say the Knicks are going to have a productive year.
you really think chaney is the right coach for this team?
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8/8/2002  4:47 PM
"you really think chaney is the right coach for this team?"-I don't, but still, the Knicks lost around 15 games last year where they had double digit leads in the second half. With McDyess downlow, where the Knicks can dump it, that doesn't happen. Maybe 2 or 3 times they lose, so that's 12 wins you add on right there. Add that to the fact that they finally have a force downlow who will help Spree and Houston, and a coach with a full training camp and season, another 5 or 6 wins that were close games. So thats 17 or 18 wins. Add that to 30, that's 47 wins. That's a playoff team.

I don't think people are giving this McDyess acquisition enough light, everyone's just bashing Layden. McDyess makes this team a ton better, and I find this "Knick in Lebron James sweepstakes" laughable. It seems like Dan, nwny, and myself are the only ones on this board with faith in the Knicks.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 08/08/2002 16:48:27]
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8/8/2002  4:53 PM
If nothing else, this year will raise Spree and Houston's Value. They will both excell with a low post presence that was'nt there the year before. It would be down right stupid to trade either one of those guys when their values are at the all time low. Next year I guarantee you everyone on this site will be demanding a borderline superstar in return for either one of these players... I say don't let a bad season dictate the next 4 years of this franchise. We'll be in a MUCH MUCH better position to improve our team to the that elusive championship level next year. Be patient Knicks fans!!! One more season to go before we explode.
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8/8/2002  5:12 PM
That's the spirit, guys! All of what you say makes alot of sense.

And no, Im not sure if Chaney is the right fix for the Knicks, but I dont think that he got the chance that he deserves, last year.

He's gonna get a full season this year. Lets see what happens.
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8/8/2002  8:10 PM
There is absolutely no way the Knicks will be close to getting the #1 pick and James. The Knicks even if Dice doesn't have a great comeback year are far better than the Nuggets, the Bulls and Grizzles, etc.
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