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Elite
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2/23/2006  5:36 PM
hes on espn radio and he making some good points defending the knicks... he said the knicks were playing great won 6 and a row and then steph gets injured everything falls apart and people are like what happened??? well your best player got injured thats what happened... not a bad point
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2/23/2006  5:38 PM
did anyone else catch this i only heard the end and it soudned to be really good convincing and positive
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2/23/2006  5:38 PM
Posted by Elite:

hes on espn radio and he making some good points defending the knicks... he said the knicks were playing great won 6 and a row and then steph gets injured everything falls apart and people are like what happened??? well your best player got injured thats what happened... not a bad point

Yeah he would feel that way after Tracy went down and they couldn't win a game...He was in teh spotlight....Van Gun is overated!!
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2/23/2006  5:40 PM
I do agree with him when he said this is a steal for the Knicks...I just don't see why people are thinking this is a bad deal for the Knicks...
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2/23/2006  5:42 PM
I started a thread w/o knowing this one existed so here it is:


he basically said that francis was very coachable and has tries and plays with heart, and that he is a competitor. He said that it was a good trade because they got all-stat talent for nothing. He also stated that the only reason the rockets traded francis was to get McGrady, and not to get rid of francis. Van Gundy also thinks the knicks will have no problem with defense if marbury and francis commit to it. He said marbury has the ability to be one of the best defenders in the nba if he played like a competitor. When he was with the knicks and marbs was with the nets and they played together he said that he completely shut down houston and sprewell, and that if he only played like it matters that much everynight who knows what he could do.
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2/23/2006  5:48 PM
Posted by nykbasketball:

I started a thread w/o knowing this one existed so here it is:


he basically said that francis was very coachable and has tries and plays with heart, and that he is a competitor. He said that it was a good trade because they got all-stat talent for nothing. He also stated that the only reason the rockets traded francis was to get McGrady, and not to get rid of francis. Van Gundy also thinks the knicks will have no problem with defense if marbury and francis commit to it. He said marbury has the ability to be one of the best defenders in the nba if he played like a competitor. When he was with the knicks and marbs was with the nets and they played together he said that he completely shut down houston and sprewell, and that if he only played like it matters that much everynight who knows what he could do.



People kills Marbs about his defense and thats because they really don't know the game and they just re-state what they read in the papers...But this year, by far has been Marbs best defensive year...Poeple don't pay attention to it but he has been a stud on D....
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2/23/2006  5:55 PM
Posted by Elite:

hes on espn radio and he making some good points defending the knicks... he said the knicks were playing great won 6 and a row and then steph gets injured everything falls apart and people are like what happened??? well your best player got injured thats what happened... not a bad point


This is why I'm not as pessimistic as some. It was to be expected that we'd get off to a rough start with LB. Things finally began to click in January, and I really do think there was something to that-- it wasn't just a fluke or a flash in the pan. The reason we tanked thereafter is Marbury went down and JC played like crap. This team can be good, but to do so it needs one or two guys playing at an exceptionally high level. We are definitely not a team that is talented enough on either end of the court to take a hit to a top player or two and keep plugging along.

Francis has his warts (else we wouldn't have been able to get him), but he's a borderline All-Star calibre player nonetheless and right now this team can use another player on that level. This move makes us more robust by making us less dependent on Marbury's health and JC's whims. Depending on how things shake out, we could return to that level of play we showed in early Jan. or even exceed it.

It's important to realize that we've struggled so badly this season because we've been awful offensively as well as defensively. Defense will continue to be a problem-- even when we were playing well we weren't great on D-- but our offense could really become a handful. And really, it's much tougher to get the big time offensive producers in place than it is to fill out a roster with complementary, defensive minded role players. At least Isiah has largely addressed one end of the court thus far (though we could still really use a shooter or two)-- it looks to me like the offensive side of the equation is now pretty much saturated and not in need of huge changes, at least in the short term. Let's see if Isiah can fill things out from here.
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2/23/2006  5:56 PM
Posted by holfresh:





People kills Marbs about his defense and thats because they really don't know the game and they just re-state what they read in the papers...But this year, by far has been Marbs best defensive year...Poeple don't pay attention to it but he has been a stud on D....

hahahahahaha!



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Posted by McK1:
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People kills Marbs about his defense and thats because they really don't know the game and they just re-state what they read in the papers...But this year, by far has been Marbs best defensive year...Poeple don't pay attention to it but he has been a stud on D....

hahahahahaha!



Did you see the first game of the year against Orlando when David Lee was playing Grant Hill who torched him for a quick 18 points in the first half and Steph shut him down for the rest of the game...Did you miss that one?...

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-23-2006 6:04 PM]
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2/23/2006  6:02 PM
Marbury is playing well. The problem is off the court. His teammates do not seem to like him.

I read something in the Orlando papers that Francis does not have that problem. His teammates like him but sometimes because he sulks, they do not like playing with him. they also said he has something to prove in NY.


I like JVG. I think he is doing a poor job this year in Houston but he has had to deal with injuries too. With Ming and Mcgrady their record is what you think it should be.
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2/23/2006  6:05 PM
Posted by McK1:
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People kills Marbs about his defense and thats because they really don't know the game and they just re-state what they read in the papers...But this year, by far has been Marbs best defensive year...Poeple don't pay attention to it but he has been a stud on D....

hahahahahaha!

Ridnour >>>>>>>> Marbury
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2/23/2006  6:06 PM
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

Marbury is playing well. The problem is off the court. His teammates do not seem to like him.

I read something in the Orlando papers that Francis does not have that problem. His teammates like him but sometimes because he sulks, they do not like playing with him. they also said he has something to prove in NY.

I've heard those reports and reports stating the exact opposite for each player. Don't believe everything (or anything!) you read unless it has quotes from players.
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2/23/2006  6:09 PM
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

Marbury is playing well. The problem is off the court. His teammates do not seem to like him.

I read something in the Orlando papers that Francis does not have that problem. His teammates like him but sometimes because he sulks, they do not like playing with him. they also said he has something to prove in NY.

This is so much bull. There's nothing wrong with Steph and his teammates. You win games and everything is OK, when you lose that's when you here all this fighting and crap. On ANY team there are bound to be disagreements, especially if you're losing game after game. The only issue that's been talked about this year is Q and Steph and Q should NEVER open his mouth after the year he's had.

I think adding Francis could turn out to be a good thing for this team. As much as we need D, we REALLY need to score some damn points. That's what really kills us. When you score it slows down the other team, cuz they don't get as many fastbreaks. When you score you can at least put pressure on the other team to score as well. We don't have to be a great defensive team, we just need to be a team that can play timely defense and get stops at critical junctures in the game. This team actually has spurts of good D, but so far we can't sustain it. Once LB gets his act together and figures out how to use these guys then we should be alright.
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2/23/2006  6:12 PM
there's DEFINITELY something up between Marbs & Q though... you can see it when they play on the court together... they don't make eye contact at all, they don't slap hands off FT's, they just avoid any sort of interaction... not good when you have teammates who can't stand each other on the same team (unless they're names happen to be Kobe & Shaq of course)
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Posted by TMS:

there's DEFINITELY something up between Marbs & Q though... you can see it when they play on the court together... they don't make eye contact at all, they don't slap hands off FT's, they just avoid any sort of interaction... not good when you have teammates who can't stand each other on the same team (unless they're names happen to be Kobe & Shaq of course)


SAS said today that Marbs called Q out because of his play...Q got upset and told Marbs no one like you..Thats why people don't hang with you....Q said this was his worst year and that Marb's doesn't get him the ball where he likes it...Q also said the Nash did a much better job driving and dishing..also, when Larry was tossed from the game, Q was the one who said "now we can play the game"...Marbs stood up for Larry and told Q to shut up......
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2/23/2006  6:29 PM
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People kills Marbs about his defense and thats because they really don't know the game and they just re-state what they read in the papers...But this year, by far has been Marbs best defensive year...Poeple don't pay attention to it but he has been a stud on D....

hahahahahaha!



Did you see the first game of the year against Orlando when David Lee was playing Grant Hill who torched him for a quick 18 points in the first half and Steph shut him down for the rest of the game...Did you miss that one?...

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-23-2006 6:04 PM]

Did you watch Jason Williams just breeze on by Steph last night?
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People kills Marbs about his defense and thats because they really don't know the game and they just re-state what they read in the papers...But this year, by far has been Marbs best defensive year...Poeple don't pay attention to it but he has been a stud on D....

hahahahahaha!

Ridnour >>>>>>>> Marbury
Isn't there a Sonics game on tonight? Or maybe one featuring the Pacers/Boston/Nets/aw hell any other team for you to busy yourself appreciating?

do you feel like some sort of superfan as you watch the 15 win listless lifeless lawless Knicks get blown out nightly?
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2/23/2006  6:52 PM
the first thing the knicks need to do is have stephon either have surgery on that shoulder or sit out untill it is 100%
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People kills Marbs about his defense and thats because they really don't know the game and they just re-state what they read in the papers...But this year, by far has been Marbs best defensive year...Poeple don't pay attention to it but he has been a stud on D....

hahahahahaha!



Did you see the first game of the year against Orlando when David Lee was playing Grant Hill who torched him for a quick 18 points in the first half and Steph shut him down for the rest of the game...Did you miss that one?...

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-23-2006 6:04 PM]

Did you watch Jason Williams just breeze on by Steph last night?




The guy hasn't play in 10 games...If you have ever played you would know if you miss one game you are not the same physically...your skilled and legs aren't there...It will take a few games...

Haters everywhere, wow...
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2/23/2006  7:06 PM
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People kills Marbs about his defense and thats because they really don't know the game and they just re-state what they read in the papers...But this year, by far has been Marbs best defensive year...Poeple don't pay attention to it but he has been a stud on D....

hahahahahaha!



Did you see the first game of the year against Orlando when David Lee was playing Grant Hill who torched him for a quick 18 points in the first half and Steph shut him down for the rest of the game...Did you miss that one?...

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-23-2006 6:04 PM]

Did you watch Jason Williams just breeze on by Steph last night?




The guy hasn't play in 10 games...If you have ever played you would know if you miss one game you are not the same physically...your skilled and legs aren't there...It will take a few games...

Haters everywhere, wow...



Oh please. give me a ****ing break. We are talking about professional athletes. Marbury had a shoulder injury mid-season and he knew he was coming back. He could have worked his legs on a bike treadmill or trackif his 20 million dollar legs are that weak which I don't believe because he had the same lift on his jumpshot.

The guy is a turnstile plain and simple.

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