Posted by eViL:

Where is lack of consistent defensive effort?

I suppose that could be other or no improvement.

I can live without defense- if we're getting better in other areas or if we're at least able to outscore the opposition.

Here's a burst of kool-aid that will suprise some around here:
I'm happy with the rookies. They are just that, and I dont believe in force feeding rookies, unless they ready. Chris Paul, Lebron, Wade, Amare... these guys are anamolies and stars. Nothing wrong with our guys playing less time and constantly getting yanked everytime they screw up. Did all the playing time help Curry and Crawford? They have been in the league for 4/6 years and still dont know how to play NBA ball. Nope... happy with the rookies.

The ever changing line ups I'm over. Too many of these guys simply dont play hard enough or well enough. Whatever LB's message or style I can be a little more patient with a guy that has his track record. We won everywhere he's been. Most of our veteran players have lost everywhere they have been. So pardon me if I side with Larry as he's the only one in this org that ever accomplished anything in their current jobs.

Curry will be fine. He looks like he wants to win and things have been easy for him his whole life. Hopefully this just the first chapter of a nice turnaround. He's got such physical skills, and I think he has gotten better.

The losses. No... I'm over those also. Looks to me like Marbury was on his way to adjusting to LB right before he got hurt. Damn shame too because thats IMO is the turning point of our year. Life goes on. Some lottery protection on the pick would have been nice but I'm not holding my breath for Isiah to start making smart deals. Rather I'm just hoping like hell we get a little lucky.

Ask me again Thurs after 3pm what I think about this team... I have a feeling its going to be a lot different.

Posted by crzymdups:

Brown has been fired everywhere he's been and created turmoil and made players miserable. That's his track record. He cherry picked a championship on a loaded Pistons squad that will probably win again this year and be far happier winning it without LB.

this is such an utter crap arguement I don't know where to begin.

How many people predicted Detroit to win their championship? They were such underdogs it wasn't funny.

Also, did Jackson cherry pick his championships? I mean the dude was handed Jordan and Pippen in their primes. And if that weren't enough, he Cherry picked Shaq and Kobe.

And the Pop guy, he was the GM until Duncan showed up, right? That guy is such a loser for waiting until Tim D arrived.

Brown has a huge ego, and so do the people he works for. They fire him because they can't handle his personality and his meddling. But it don't make him a bad coach.

Last time I looked all the important guys on the Detroit team LOVED Brown.

I can't believe no one else voted for Q besides me.
I thought he was a lock to be a solid starter for this
team, and he has turned out to be crap. I like his
attitude hanging in there but his contribution has been
nothing. a HUGE let down.

Posted by martin:

Posted by crzymdups:

Brown has been fired everywhere he's been and created turmoil and made players miserable. That's his track record. He cherry picked a championship on a loaded Pistons squad that will probably win again this year and be far happier winning it without LB.

this is such an utter crap arguement I don't know where to begin?

How many people predicted Detroit to win their championship? They were such underdogs it wasn't funny.

Also, did Jackson cherry pick his championships? I mean the dude was handed Jordan and Pippen in their primes. And if that weren't enough, he Cherry picked Shaq and Kobe.

And the Pop guy, he was the GM until Duncan showed up, right? That guy is such a loser for waiting until Tim D arrived.

Brown has a huge ego, and so do the people he works for. They fire him because they can't handle his personality and his meddling. But it don't make him a bad coach.

Last time I looked all the important guys on the Detroit team LOVED Brown.

Obviously, San Antonio was the pick to win the championship that year, but Derek Fisher's miracle turn around with .4 seconds left turned the series and let an inferior Lakers team sneak into the finals.

And, yes, I would argue that Jackson gets overrated as a coach because of the situations he hand-picked. How is Phil doing this year with Kobe and Odom? Decent, but not exceeding expectations.

Look, you can say whatever you want, but Larry Brown is known around the league as next town Brown and while Chauncey and Iverson are quick to praise, there are plenty of players who hate his guts. He wore out his welcome in Indiana, San Antonio, LAC, Detroit, etc, DESPITE having great success. Those teams decided that the wins weren't worth the attitude and the crappy attitude he created amongst the players.

How is that an utter crap argument? it's fact. Hey, I think Brown is a better coach than Phil Jackson, his coaching job to get that Sixers team to the Finals was brilliant, but let's be honest here, he submarined what could have been a great team by trading guys like Larry Hughes for nothing. He wound up taking a team of his guys to the Finals, but that team had no chance in hell of beating the Shaq/Kobe Lakers in their prime. The Detroit thing, he did a nice coaching job, but they were only 4 wins better than they were with Rick C and they added Sheed. The East was weak (Kmart/Kidd were banged up, Artest gave away game 6) and they faced a weak Finals opponent (Lakers were imploding under Kobe's power play, Malone was out, Payton was sulking, Shaq wasn't the same Shaq anymore).

Brown is an excellent tactical coach, but he's showing that he can't adapt to players who don't fit his philosophy and he has EXTREMELY well documented issues with wanting too much roster control and pissing off players.

Posted by Panos:

I can't believe no one else voted for Q besides me.
I thought he was a lock to be a solid starter for this
team, and he has turned out to be crap. I like his
attitude hanging in there but his contribution has been
nothing. a HUGE let down.

You're right- if Q could have been good for even 10pts a night with decent, 38% outside shooting, we'd probably have 5 more wins, easy.

yeah, the losses...I was gonna say the rotations, but that's more suprise than anything...it's funny, people say LB has won everywhere he's been, but he's NEVER had this many starting lineups.

when he was in philly that first year and they sucked, he still kept the same lineups.

why different this year? that's all we're saying, this ain't no larry brown I've ever seen. this guy is not the same coach.

And don't discount the fact that the pistons had 4 all stars this year, and NONE when LB was their coach. (I think, off the top of my head on that one)

I like LB, but this year, I don't even know who this coach is.

hopefully his players snap out of it and actually start listening to him.

I'm a fan of LB, just not this version of him. He's crazy.

My biggest disapointments are "other".

1. Dido done gone awol to galaxy far far away.

2. islesfan exile to places unknown.

I'd like to update my biggest disappointment pending Thursday's trades...