Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by Knight:

If Kenyon Martin passed a physical with Knicks doctors I would make that trade before Francis.

I guess your right, but I dont trust his knee's. I think the pain could return later. and watson is mediocre at best, although If we only wind up giving away penny and JC, for them I guess that would'nt be that bad. but I dont think it would be that good either.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by crzymdups:

I don't think we'll see any kind of trade before Wednesday at the earliest. there's too much out there throughout the league.

yup, i think this will come down to the 11th hour.

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by crzymdups:

I don't think we'll see any kind of trade before Wednesday at the earliest. there's too much out there throughout the league.

yup, i think this will come down to the 11th hour.

The problem is that as the deadline nears Penny's value decreases for the Knicks, unless Isiah is ready to just let his deal expire.

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by djsunyc:

[quote]Posted by crzymdups:

I don't think we'll see any kind of trade before Wednesday at the earliest. there's too much out there throughout the league.

yup, i think this will come down to the 11th hour.

The problem is that as the deadline nears Penny's value decreases for the Knicks, unless Isiah is ready to just let his deal expire.



i dont think so, its either they make a deal that make tremendous sense or they cut payroll. for them to do another ending contract deal it would have to be a knockout deal

I hope you are right, I just wonder if teams who the Knicks may be in negotations with are waiting until the last minute. I say this becaue they may be thinking that the Knicks are under TREMENDOUS pressure to start winning and therefore turn Penny's ending contract into a player that can help. His contract's value to the Knicks, in the short term, is purely as a means of getting someone like a Francis, K-Mart, etc.

I agree that unless it's for a knockout deal, just forget it and focus on getting under the cap for the summer of 2007, which seems doable if we stay pat. Of course, if we still have Frye, Nate & Lee + our new draft picks this year the Knicks cap figure would be at $53.8 Million. So we'd probably have to AT LEAST find a way to trade someone like Malik Rose, but his deal would only have a year reamaining, and maybe more players.

A big problem is Marbury's huge salary per year, makes it really hard for the Knicks to get under the cap and have enough talent to perform well.

i don't think getting under the cap is going to happen, nor is it a mandatory objective to turn things around.

We have some guys here, we obviously need to cut the fat of the roster--- identify players in the league or through the draft[or both] that can help us put together the best 8-9 guys --a few extra players to fill in for emegercency injuries FT etc... and then 2 guys we are grooming for use down the line. Obviously we have need for a shot blocking frontcourt player a big Guard a back up PG to start.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by djsunyc:

[quote]Posted by crzymdups:

I don't think we'll see any kind of trade before Wednesday at the earliest. there's too much out there throughout the league.

yup, i think this will come down to the 11th hour.

The problem is that as the deadline nears Penny's value decreases for the Knicks, unless Isiah is ready to just let his deal expire.



i dont think so, its either they make a deal that make tremendous sense or they cut payroll. for them to do another ending contract deal it would have to be a knockout deal

I hope you are right, I just wonder if teams who the Knicks may be in negotations with are waiting until the last minute. I say this becaue they may be thinking that the Knicks are under TREMENDOUS pressure to start winning and therefore turn Penny's ending contract into a player that can help. His contract's value to the Knicks, in the short term, is purely as a means of getting someone like a Francis, K-Mart, etc.

I agree that unless it's for a knockout deal, just forget it and focus on getting under the cap for the summer of 2007, which seems doable if we stay pat. Of course, if we still have Frye, Nate & Lee + our new draft picks this year the Knicks cap figure would be at $53.8 Million. So we'd probably have to AT LEAST find a way to trade someone like Malik Rose, but his deal would only have a year reamaining, and maybe more players.

A big problem is Marbury's huge salary per year, makes it really hard for the Knicks to get under the cap and have enough talent to perform well.

i don't think getting under the cap is going to happen, nor is it a mandatory objective to turn things around.

We have some guys here, we obviously need to cut the fat of the roster--- identify players in the league or through the draft[or both] that can help us put together the best 8-9 guys --a few extra players to fill in for emegercency injuries FT etc... and then 2 guys we are grooming for use down the line. Obviously we have need for a shot blocking frontcourt player a big Guard a back up PG to start.

I actually don't believe getting under the cap is essential to improving the team, I just think it would be nice to see what the Knicks could do in that kind of situation, especially with the Free-Agents that would be available then.

We need the kind of players you identified, as well as some good defenders, and somehow find/develop another star.

I feel like what Isiah does before the deadline is going to say quite a bit about the direction of this franchise.

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by crzymdups:

I don't think we'll see any kind of trade before Wednesday at the earliest. there's too much out there throughout the league.

yup, i think this will come down to the 11th hour.

The problem is that as the deadline nears Penny's value decreases for the Knicks, unless Isiah is ready to just let his deal expire.

huh? as the deadline nears, teams who want to shed salary and going to be more and more desperate. Penny's deal is only going to increase in value until the deadline. he's worthless after the deadline to us, but he is the difference between cap space and cap hell for a lot of teams.

the key is for Zeke not to act desperately.

We'll I suppose any team who really wants to make a deal might feel more desperate, but I get the sense that the Knicks reputation for desperation is higher than other teams. All we have to do is look at the Knicks track record in trades for the past 5 years or so (name the last trade season where the Knicks DID NOT make a deal), the fact that the Knicks performance this year is one of the worst in its history, the team is WAY over the cap with some hope of getting under but not a lot, don't have a young star like a Dwight Howard, or Chris Bosh, or Carmelo Anthony (our rooks are nice, but not at that level yet) to to ease the pain of missing out on a deal now, and have fans and local/national media who have become increasngly angry/critical.

how do you know? bosh was a 11&7 player in his rookie year. who knows what frye will be in a year or two.

Chill man...I think you missed/accidently ignored the rest of the sentence?

don't have a young star like a Dwight Howard, or Chris Bosh, or Carmelo Anthony (our rooks are nice, but not at that level yet)

I'm not saying Frye won't be a star, but we don't have the luxary of knowing yet. Plenty of rookies and young players have had good and poor first and second years but then either become stars, role players or out of the league. We just don't know yet, where as with Bosh, Anthony and Howard, the evidence for their being stars is more substantial.