Is this a trading card convention or what?

This endless, random speculation over imaginary deals is just that... random speculation.

What IS the record for trade threads started in one day?

Sheesh

No one can predict how individual talent and unique personallities mesh to cohere as a team. For example, at the time his deal was consummated, Spree was a huge risk. A player who sat out a year with a bad attitude. A calculated gamble that paid dividends once he hits his first jumper in The Garden and the hometown fans embrace him.

Spree and Camby bond on the bench while Van Gundy refuses to start either one of them. Patrick gets hurt and voila, CHEMISTRY - borne of hanging on the bench together.

With Marbury healthy the Knicks were FINALLY playing in rhythm and winning. Marbury gets injured and the rest is history.

I have a feeling Frye and Lee have developed some chemistry as best freinds. Chicago homies Eddy, Quentin and Jamal are close. Nate, Qyntel and Trevor have been seen together. Marbury and Jalen have played for nine teams. At very least they can compare travel iteneraries. I have a feeling they'll get along just fine.

People talk of some imaginary "plan" like ALL GM's are not involved in a perpetual trial and error process that refreshes itself with every draft. For example, Steve Francis and Marbury could be Clyde and The Pearl... or they could be the second coming of Abott and Costello. No one knows. Not even Isiah and not even Larry Brown.

Then again, they could mix like oil and water.

Enough of the imaginary guessing about who is better than, or with, whom.
No one knows until you pull the trigger and roll out the ball racks.

My plan is simple. Keep ALL of the Knicks roster, 28 years old and under, intact. Marbury is on the way back and the roster depth chart musical chairs downshift a spot. That is significant. Best five play.

Get the best guard available in the draft. Dating back to T-Mac, Camby and Damon - and with Frye, Nate and Lee - Isiah has proven he knows how to grade young talent.

Enough arredy

so would you trade for francis?

patience is key. for all involved.

Well, there aren't any games, so...........

Rich - blow it up is not a solution. Do you REALLY want to suffer through an additional SIX years of heartache in the mode of the post-Jordan Chicago Bulls?

I don't think so

djsunyc - No to Stevie, even if it involves Penny.

One of the reasons Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe worked so well was their size. Clyde was 6'4 and could pick you clean before you blinked. Earl was 6'5 and knew how to use his height to his advantage. The Pearl had the ball on a string and we al know Clyde never turned it over. Both were excellent passers.

I worry about playing two shrimps together like Marbury and Stevie on defense.

I'd make the Celtics an offer for NBDL graduate, seldom-used Gerald Green

Did I just mention a trade?

My bad.

Rich - perennial championship contender?

Check the limited number of teams that have won an NBA title over the past 30 years. There are many more suffering franchises than consistent winners.

For the Knicks to get it right, they must stabilize the front office functions and not settle for 95 per cent of the silly rumored deals that are tossed around like confetti by the press and given life before they are consummated.

The fans must learn to support the yoots instead of burdening them with imaginary and arbitrary expectations. Ridiculing their baby steps serves no purpose other than to kill their college (in some cases high school or JC) confidence. For writers to insult Frye, Lee, Jackie, Qyntel or Nate is equivalent to sabotage.

Crazy trade proposals should be diverted to a Fantasy League thread

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Posted by misterearl:

Rich - perennial championship contender?

Check the limited number of teams that have won an NBA title over the past 30 years. There are many more suffering franchises than consistent winners.

For the Knicks to get it right, they must stabilize the front office functions and not settle for 95 per cent of the silly rumored deals that are tossed around like confetti by the press and given life before they are consummated.

The fans must learn to support the yoots instead of burdening them with imaginary and arbitrary expectations. Ridiculing their baby steps serves no purpose other than to kill their college (in some cases high school or JC) confidence. For writers to insult Frye, Lee, Jackie, Qyntel or Nate is equivalent to sabotage.

Crazy trade proposals should be diverted to a Fantasy League thread


Some of the crazy trade proposals sent around are sure better than acquiring guys like Tim Thomas, Mo Taylor Malik Rose Jerome James Jamal Crawford Q-Rich Penny Hardaway etc for HUGE HUGE sums of money--throwing money around like a spoiled teenage girl with her rich daddy's credit card.
Even Jalen Rose--when it comes down to it, is there justification to spend that much money on a player who is 33? Yes, I know its not my money, but it' s still dUMB money which hurts the franchise. What is the idiotic justification to not protect our draft[s] in a trade for a player who no one wanted? We really could give up a one pick or even a couple of very high picks back to back. What team has ever done that in NBA history? I mean we have a 130mm $ payroll and we are terrible.

No, no crazy fans at work, its the crazy guy behind the Knicks who has already spent more money than 10 franchises put together formualting crap in an incoherent fashion. Do we have a couple of good guys--yes but we spent a half billion doing so.

So I think the biggest fantasy guy is the person who actually calls the shots and the owner for being such a stupid dufus for letting this go.

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by Rich:

The Lakers have won 8 chmapionships since 1973 as a result of smart, long-range decisions.

The Knicks have won zero because they make dumb, short-range decisions.

There were reports at the time Kobe was drafted that they could have traded for him, but were unwilling to give up Oakley. That's idiotic.

No matter who owns the team, no matter who is the GM, it's win now which means win never.

IM sure most would have rioted if we gave up the hallowed Oak for a high school kid!

that wouldve been a coup de grat, but ending up with Camby wasn't a booby-prize. That is one thing i do think about, do you trade the ewings, the oakleys when they hit 31-32 for a prize?

If Im Minnesota, Im offering KG to the Bulls for Gordon and their two picks this summer

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by Rich:

The Lakers have won 8 chmapionships since 1973 as a result of smart, long-range decisions.

The Knicks have won zero because they make dumb, short-range decisions.

There were reports at the time Kobe was drafted that they could have traded for him, but were unwilling to give up Oakley. That's idiotic.

No matter who owns the team, no matter who is the GM, it's win now which means win never.

IM sure most would have rioted if we gave up the hallowed Oak for a high school kid!

that wouldve been a coup de grat, but ending up with Camby wasn't a booby-prize. That is one thing i do think about, do you trade the ewings, the oakleys when they hit 31-32 for a prize?

If Im Minnesota, Im offering KG to the Bulls for Gordon and their two picks this summer

same applies for boston and pierce.

the bulls have the market cornered for teams looking to dump superstars - kg, pierce, and allen. they have the cap room (so $$$'s don't have to match) and they have nice young pieces.

Celtics have been dogged by going half way--they never had a high pick, they made stupid deals and signings--its either you bite the bullet and sck or try your best to ramp it up. you cant have opaul pierce with all rookies and lafrentz you either need all vets or all young becoming vets together

here's a simple rule to follow if you're sick of reading imaginary trade proposals...

don't click on them... simple enough, no?

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

here's a simple rule to follow if you're sick of reading imaginary trade proposals...

don't click on them... simple enough, no?

That's like asking people to just delete their junk e-mail without complaining over it. Sounds simple but life is never so simple!


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-17-2006 1:10 PM]

OR complaining about the Jessica Alba thread that she is nothing but they keep opening the thread

>>A GM with a vision and the strength of conviction has to ignore what most think,

Rich - precisely.

While everyone is running around second-guessing each and EVERY move made by the Knicks franchise over the past two years, no one is willing to play with a new set of players past a half season.

Even my boy dj proposes dealing Eddy Curry.

What's next? Frye for Smush Parker?