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2/14/2006  9:03 PM
Tuesday, February 14, 2006
Knicks looking to pair Stevie Franchise with Starbury

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By Chris Sheridan
ESPN Insider



Steve Francis is being strongly sought by the desperate New York Knicks, who want to pair him in the backcourt with Stephon Marbury in a bid to save their season.

Two sources involved in the Francis trade discussions told ESPN.com on Tuesday that New York is actively pursuing Francis, who is being shopped full throttle by the Orlando Magic.

The Denver Nuggets remain in the hunt for Francis, but they are not the leading option as they were a few days ago. The Minnesota Timberwolves also were trying to stay in the mix, looking for a third team to take on players Orlando is not interested in.

New York was believed to be offering Penny Hardaway, Jamal Crawford and at least one other player, likely Trevor Ariza, David Lee or Nate Robinson, in a deal in which the Knicks would also take back center Kelvin Cato, whose $8.64 million salary comes off the cap at the end of the season.

Cato would have to be included along with Francis ($13.7 million) to provide a match for the salaries of Hardaway ($15.75 million), Crawford ($6.5 million) and the third player, be it Robinson ($1.2 million), Lee (860,000) and/or Ariza $640,000).

The trade, if it were to come to fruition, would provide Orlando salary cap relief and at least one young starter for a franchise looking to rebuild around Dwight Howard.

The Magic will have Grant Hill's $16.9 million salary off their cap in the summer of 2007, and freeing themselves of their obligations to Francis would leave them well below the salary cap two summers from now when a bumper crop of free agents hits the market.

Another financial factor influencing the Magic's decision-making is the impending transfer of ownership control from Amway magnate Rich DeVos to his children. DeVos' son-in-law, Bob Vander Weide, will represent the Magic as their owner. Orlando has been unsuccessful in securing public financing for a new arena and is losing money under the weight of a nearly $67 million payroll. Francis is owed $49.3 million over the next three seasons.

When Francis' name first surfaced in trade rumors, there was speculation that the Knicks would try to trade Stephon Marbury for him. But a league source said team president Isiah Thomas envisions a Marbury-Francis pairing that would evoke comparisons to the Thomas-Joe Dumars guard tandem the Pistons won with in the 1980s, or the Walt Frazier-Earl Monroe backcourt the Knicks had in 1973 the last time they won the championship.

"It could be great, or it could be a disaster," said one source, describing the Knicks as "really pushing" to acquire Francis as they trudge through a losing streak that ballooned to nine games with their drubbing in Dallas on Monday night. With a record of 14-37, the Knicks are in danger of going into the All-Star break with the league's worst record. Only Charlotte (14-39) is worse.

The Knicks had been linked to Francis last week in a reported three-way trade also involving Denver in which Francis would have ended up with the Nuggets. That rumor produced a flood of subsequent reports involving Denver forward Kenyon Martin, including another offer involving Hardaway that would allow the Nuggets to lower their payroll -- though it wouldn't necessarily bring long-term cap relief.

New York also has had discussions with the Portland Trail Blazers involving Hardaway, whose contract is one of the few expiring maximum deals this season of the type that are annually dangled in February before teams seeking cap relief. Dallas forward Keith Van Horn's $15.7 million salary comes off the cap this summer, but Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has said his team has no interest in trading Van Horn to the Raptors for Antonio Davis, who also has an expiring contract and was dealt by the Knicks to Toronto for Jalen Rose in a deal that will allow the Raptors to move well below the cap this summer.

The Chicago Bulls have had no luck in their efforts to move Tim Thomas and his expiring contract of nearly $14 million. The Bulls are expected to offer Thomas a buyout if they can't trade him, and he is hoping to sign with a playoff team prior to March 1, the deadline for players to eligible for the postseason.
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2/14/2006  9:06 PM
Looks like Penny may get his wish and end his career in Orlando after all.
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2/14/2006  9:09 PM
this would be a GREAT trade. one question tho, when was the rule change that allowed two basketballs on the court at all times?
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2/14/2006  9:10 PM
"It could be great, or it could be a disaster"
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2/14/2006  9:11 PM
Steve Francis is one guy Id be willing to starphuck. I do this deal.
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2/14/2006  9:14 PM
The Knicks' season cannot be saved.
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2/14/2006  9:14 PM
give them ariza and nate--no lee

take back 2 second rounders
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2/14/2006  9:15 PM
Posted by Rich:

The Knicks' season cannot be saved.

season is done-no team has ever come close to making the playoffs with our record at 50 games.

only thing we have is hope for future
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2/14/2006  9:20 PM
The Chicago Bulls have had no luck in their efforts to move Tim Thomas and his expiring contract of nearly $14 million.

sorry, i just find this extremely amusing for some reason.

btw, i do this deal too... if it doesn't work out, you still have a very talented player who's tradeable... only i would hope that David Lee wasn't part of the deal (but my guess is he would be)
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2/14/2006  9:57 PM
I would try to pry Odom from the Lakers one last time. If that fails, I'd definitely be interested in Franchise. I think a backcourt of him and Marbury could work. Both have shown a willingness to defer a bit for the betterment of thier teams. Both Marbury and Franchise's shots are down this season from previous yrs.
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2/14/2006  10:02 PM
Posted by TMS:
The Chicago Bulls have had no luck in their efforts to move Tim Thomas and his expiring contract of nearly $14 million.

sorry, i just find this extremely amusing for some reason.

btw, i do this deal too... if it doesn't work out, you still have a very talented player who's tradeable... only i would hope that David Lee wasn't part of the deal (but my guess is he would be)


If the details are as reported - if the "throw in" player is Ariza, Robinson, or Lee, I would think Lee would be the most attractive option.
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2/14/2006  10:09 PM
These 2 in the backcourt will not save the season or any other season.. Francis can't pick up any franchise including the Knicks..

Based on the season, the Knicks are now desperate. It's a sad situation surrounding MSG..
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2/14/2006  10:20 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Rich:

The Knicks' season cannot be saved.

season is done-no team has ever come close to making the playoffs with our record at 50 games.

only thing we have is hope for future

exactly. so why make this trade? just play the season out and finally let these contracts expire.
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2/14/2006  10:20 PM
i doubt anyone's under the illusion that those 2 will save the season... but you rarely get the opportunity to get a true star calibre player like Francis for nothing but an ending contract & a supplementary young player... that's how NJ got Vince Carter, & it worked out well for them... Francis would do nothing but increase his own trade value playing in a large market like NY... that only benefits the Knicks in the longrun.
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2/14/2006  10:22 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

These 2 in the backcourt will not save the season or any other season.. Francis can't pick up any franchise including the Knicks..

Based on the season, the Knicks are now desperate. It's a sad situation surrounding MSG..


right now they are throwing punches with a blindfold on. they need to find a style of play, but that wont happen

the last thing that may safe face next year is to accumulate proven talent--lets face it rose and francis are pure upgrades, even if they make no sense in a certain way. you have 3 guys willing to move the ball and can score

add in some length on the D and maybe you have something who knows its potluck, but id rather go to war with francis then crawford
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2/14/2006  10:27 PM
more like potf ck.
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2/14/2006  10:28 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

but id rather go to war with francis then crawford

yup. i can't wait for those charlotte/toronto/ny wars. they're gonna be a hoot.
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2/14/2006  11:05 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Looks like Penny may get his wish and end his career in Orlando after all.

Make it happen! I'm down to see marbs and Francis together. What do the knicks got to lose? There is always gonna be one of them in the paint causing havok. Get it done damn you!

Hey good to see your name around again hardcore!
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2/14/2006  11:12 PM
well if darko is going to ORL, scratch this trade off the list since cato will be involved.
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2/14/2006  11:16 PM
Ric Bucher (not sue how to spell his name) just reported on NBA coast to coast that the Magic are about to send Cato to Pistons for Milicic. This could hurt the potential Francis deal comming to NY.
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