other than the fact that Mo stinks and his only defense is drawing a charge and his offense really isn't as good as Frye's, here's some stats:

Turnovers per 48min:
MoT: 4.0
Frye: 3.0
aren't TOs one of our big problems? Frye protects the ball better, not a lot, but one turnover less would be a start.

Blocks per 48:
MoT: .62
Frye: 1.48
Frye is by far the superior shotblocker and would help in a department where we are awful.

Points per 48:
MoT: 18.8
Frye: 25.5
Frye is clearly the superior scorer, both shoot about 50%, but Frye has a more versatile game and gets to the FT line, averaging 7.2 attempts per 48 compared to 3.2 attempts per 48 for Mo, a guy who is supposedly an interior scorer.

Rebounds per 48:
MoT:9.2
Frye: 10.8
Curry isn't the best rebounder at center, he's certainly solid, but wouldn't it make sense to put a guy out there who can help him on the boards?

Fouls per 48:
MoT: 7.2
Frye: 5.8
Mo averages an astonishing 7.2 fouls per 48 minutes! That's awful for a starter, and fouls are one of our big problems too, putting teams at the stripe early in the quarter has been our undoing many a time. I've said before MoT's only defense is drawing a charge, but he gets that call maybe 50% of the time at best, so it's either a good play or two points.

Frye is clearly our future, but he's also making a damn good case that he's our present as well. He's the better scorer, rebounder, shotblocker, defender and he takes care of the ball better. Also, this is purely anecdotal, but when things start going bad, aka teams on 9-0 runs against or whatever, Mo T is the first guy who points fingers at other players on blown defensive assignments. He's not a veteran leader, he's a finger-pointer. He has this negative energy about him on the court that seems to kind get worse when they are playing badly.

Start Frye. Bring Lee off the bench behind him. Lee is at 14pts per48 and 14reb per48 and only 2 Turnovers per 48. He is a more active defender than Mo, a better rebounder by FAR, the team plays well when he's out there, and he hustles and plays with heart. Mo T knows all about playing on losing teams, he seems to know TOO well. Lee and Frye hate losing and play like it.


[Edited by - crzymdups on 02-06-2006 8:44 PM]

Agreed; it's not even close.

Per 48 minutes stats is the most useless statistic ever created.



[Edited by - ultknicks524 on 02-06-2006 8:50 PM]

Posted by ultknicks524:

Per 48 minutes stats is the most useless statistic ever created.



[Edited by - ultknicks524 on 02-06-2006 8:50 PM]

It allows you to equalize what each guy is doing in his time on the court so you can compare guys playing different ammounts of minutes. it's pretty freaking straight forward. Hollinger uses it, but he made his own, which is per 40 minutes, but it's the same exact thing - looking at what player give you over a similar time period. There's no trickery involved.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by ultknicks524:

Per 48 minutes stats is the most useless statistic ever created.



[Edited by - ultknicks524 on 02-06-2006 8:50 PM]

It allows you to equalize what each guy is doing in his time on the court so you can compare guys playing different ammounts of minutes. it's pretty freaking straight forward. Hollinger uses it, but he made his own, which is per 40 minutes, but it's the same exact thing - looking at what player give you over a similar time period. There's no trickery involved.

According to per 48 minute stats, Jerome James is a dominant shot-blocker. We are seeing that is far from true.

The most compelling reason is the future of the franchise.

I don't understand how this is even debatable.

you're not going to get an argument on this one. frye doesn't play a lick of defense and would probably pick up 2 quick fouls but i'd still rather start him instead of mo teezy.

i mean, we are rebuilding, right?

Posted by Knight:

Posted by crzymdups:

I don't understand how this is even debatable.

It's called developing a player.

There isn't a single rookie anywhere in the league who is playing as well as Frye and coming off the bench. I know there is more pressure in NY, but one of the best things about Frye seems like his ability to handle the pressure.

exhibit A:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=14278