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2/2/2006  8:07 PM
Amid Uncertainty, Knicks Focus on Improved Effort
by Tom Kertes

GREENBURGH, NY, February 2, 2006 -- With a healthy Stephon Marbury, the much-improved Knicks won six in a row and appeared to be on the way to a potential playoff spot. After losing Marbury to injury, the Knicks went 0-3, with a highly competitive OT loss in Chicago followed by a couple of not-so-competitive ones. Since Marbury’s return, things haven’t gotten all that much better (1-4), and one of the reasons is that neither has he.

Without putting undue emphasis on the star point guard, the Knicks current situation really can’t be viewed in a fair light without evaluating the impact of his absence (or presence). For one thing, he’s THAT good. For another, no one else on the team’s roster appears to be able to do what Marbury does. His persistent, and highly perceptive, paint penetrations -- leading to quality shots for everyone including himself -- are the igniting generator of the Knicks offense.

At practice, a hurting Marbury (he banged the shoulder hard twice in Tuesday’s Laker game) declared “as of right now, I’m not playing tomorrow (against Toronto). I’ll try to rest the shoulder and be ready for Houston on Sunday.” To make things even more mysterious, Coach Larry Brown said that “the doctors are telling me Stephon is healing. But he’s got pain.’’

Still, how could anyone blame the Knicks for the confusion? What’s preferable, a player of such immeasurably immense impact not playing -- or playing at half strength (as he has been doing), helping the team as much as he’s able (but maybe still not enough to win), and possibly risking a worse injury, and a longer absence, in the process?

It makes it even more frustrating that all this is going on while the Knicks are trying to get things together in a hurry and still fight for a playoff spot. "That is the goal,” forward Trevor Ariza, who might have to play some point guard in Marbury’s absence, said. “We are talking about it in the locker room all the time. There’s a feeling of pulling together in there. There isn’t one player who doesn’t feel we could make the playoffs this season.”

Brown has the same goal but a shorter view. “I’m just looking at playing better. We’ve got to fix the next game, the next quarter, the next practice, the next possession,” he said.

Meanwhile, instead of a possible trade, “We’re trying to make some guys into better point guards,” said Brown. “That’s our first goal. Make Nate (Robinson) and Jamal (Crawford) more comfortable. Obviously, it’s an adjustment to some of them. I think Jamal’s taken it to another extreme -- we need for him to be more aggressive and more assertive -- but he’s trying so hard to get everybody involved. And Nate’s just never played there before. So that’s just something he’s got to keep working on.”

“But, hey, kids when they’re sitting want to play all the time, don’t they?” added Brown. “So here we are -- the little kid wants to play – boom, he’s got his chance. Jamal wants to be a point guard -- boom, he’s got his chance. And it’s good. The way we’re going right now, we’ve got to develop a lot of guys. Get them out on the court in a pressure situation and see how they perform.”

“Steph’s absence hurts us a lot because he is a really big part of our team,” said Ariza. “We have to pick up the slack for him somehow. It’s tough -- but as a team, we’ve got to make it happen.”

“We’ve got to come out as one. We’ve got to get it done on the defensive end. We’ve got to get stops.”

It’s not as if the point guard uncertainty is the team’s only issue. “Today we clarified a lot of things what we need to do,” said Brown. ”Guarding the post, guarding pick-and-rolls, guarding isolation. Keeping people in front of us. Then we talked about how we want to control the tempo of the game. How, if we don’t have something on the break, make sure to get a good shot by getting into some kind of an offense.”

Psychologically, ‘’We’re trying to coach,” said Brown. “If you’re going to take coaching as criticism, we’re not going to make any progress. What we’re trying to tell the players is ‘this is what we expect, this is what we need to do, and if we do those things we’ll be okay.’ Hopefully, they’ll look at that as a positive.”

“Coach and myself have really good communication,” the often-criticized Ariza nodded for emphasis. “Coach is hard on me -- but he’s doing it for the best,” added Robinson. “He’s trying to get the best out of me. I totally understand that.”

Brown took a positively understanding view of up-and-down center Eddy Curry’s play as well. “The hardest thing for any guy coming into the league to do is to defend,” he smiled. “When you consider a kid who came right out of high school…That’s going to make it even more difficult. But I think he wants to do it. I really do. I think one of the things is that he starts struggling when he gets tired. You can really see a drop-off in his game. But defense is effort. There is no hope if you don’t give great effort -- but in Eddy’s mind, he thinks he is. I really believe there’s hope because I KNOW he cares.”

“Effort is doing your best,” added Brown. “Trying your hardest, giving a hundred per cent. And everybody knows when they are doing that. But there are a lot of kids who don’t quite understand that -- yet. You can show them on the film and they’re shocked. But the bottom line is, I’ve never seen anybody fail when they gave a hundred per cent.”

“I never talk offense with Eddy,” said Brown. “Except to tell him to dunk with two hands -- and to try to get dunks instead of settling for less. My thing is to tell him to defend on every possession, rebound every ball, try to block every shot. We already know he’s got the ability to score. What we need from him is to make a commitment every trip down the floor to do those three things.”

Robinson, for one, is looking forward to more minutes. “I’m going to bring that energy,” he smiled. “And hopefully, it’ll bounce off my teammates. With Antonio (Davis) back, we’re looking forward to bringing that tough-man mentality back. That’s the first thing we’ve got to do in order to get on another winning streak.”
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2/2/2006  9:02 PM
"I never talk offense with Eddy,” said Brown. “Except to tell him to dunk with two hands -- and to try to get dunks instead of settling for less.

REMEMBER THAT HUGE POST I MADE ABOUT THE OFFENSIVE FOULS HE ALWAYS DOES WELL YOU ALL SAID THAT THE COACHES WERE DEFF TELLING HIM WHAT I SAID BUT WOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH LOOKS LIKE LARRY IS A TOTAL FUCKING MORRON AFTER ALL SHOOT ME
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2/2/2006  10:46 PM
I dont like this article, its too positive, it doesnt bring out the fact that the knicks are a doomed organization enough Like Isola's articles do. and it deosnt cast the blame on all the guilty parties, such as that cancer marbury as blueseats will tell you, that *sshole larry brown as oohah will tell you, and that incapable fool isiah as islesfan will tell you.

[Edited by - slimpack on 02-02-2006 11:05 PM]
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2/2/2006  10:55 PM
that *sshole larry brown as oohah will tell you

You exaggerate my statements.

Anyway, it's usually Eny who calls LB an *******. And he is probably right!

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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2/2/2006  11:06 PM
Posted by oohah:
that *sshole larry brown as oohah will tell you

You exaggerate my statements.

Anyway, it's usually Eny who calls LB an *******. And he is probably right!

oohah

oh you know what would have been better? If I had said that breast cancer marbury. anyway sorry for the embelishment, but the sad fact of that matter is that Im too lazy to go back and change it,
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2/2/2006  11:13 PM
Posted by oohah:
that *sshole larry brown as oohah will tell you

You exaggerate my statements.

Anyway, it's usually Eny who calls LB an *******. And he is probably right!

oohah

well to be serious, the more I think about it the more I hate the way LB coaches, I think he is a TERRIBLE fit for this roster, Larry Brown is capable of getting alot out of certain players but we dont have them and we shouldnt have to overturn our roster for him. Larry Brown is VERY over rated, as Flip Saunders is now proving but Im not going to get to deeply into it right now, getting back to the topic, the point I guess I was trying to make is that now a days its rare to see an article about the knicks that isnt an inflammatory article.

[Edited by - slimpack on 02-02-2006 11:14 PM]
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2/2/2006  11:15 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by oohah:
that *sshole larry brown as oohah will tell you

You exaggerate my statements.

Anyway, it's usually Eny who calls LB an *******. And he is probably right!

oohah

well to be serious, the more I think about it the more I hate the way LB coaches, I think he is a TERRIBLE fit for this roster, Larry Brown is capable of getting alot out of certain players but we dont have them and we shouldnt have to overturn our roster for him. Larry Brown is VERY over rated, as Flip Saunders is now proving but Im not going to get to deeply into it right now, getting back to the topic, the point I guess I was trying to make is that now a days its rare to see an article about the knicks that isnt an inflammatory article.

To use Brandon Tierney's line, if Larry isn't a good fit for this roster, give us a name of who is!
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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2/2/2006  11:16 PM
the knicks.com articles are pure propaganda, but it's interesting to actually read what they are talking about in practice instead of another "BLOW IT UP" article.

as for Eddy, I think it's more important to work on defense now. then work on passing out of the double teams. passing out of the double team is something it took Ewing years to learn. once Eddy does learn that, he'll probably cut his turnovers in half and definitely make this team harder to guard.
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2/2/2006  11:22 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by oohah:
that *sshole larry brown as oohah will tell you

You exaggerate my statements.

Anyway, it's usually Eny who calls LB an *******. And he is probably right!

oohah

well to be serious, the more I think about it the more I hate the way LB coaches, I think he is a TERRIBLE fit for this roster, Larry Brown is capable of getting alot out of certain players but we dont have them and we shouldnt have to overturn our roster for him. Larry Brown is VERY over rated, as Flip Saunders is now proving but Im not going to get to deeply into it right now, getting back to the topic, the point I guess I was trying to make is that now a days its rare to see an article about the knicks that isnt an inflammatory article.

To use Brandon Tierney's line, if Larry isn't a good fit for this roster, give us a name of who is!

well just about any legitemate coach would have a much better record right now, but in fairness thats probably due more to the fact that LBs teams always start slow than the fact that he is a bad coach per say. the thing is, why is it necesary for his teams to play so crapilly before playing well? also do they really play well enough to warrant the initial crappy well? and also can he get THIS roster to play well after playing badly? there were a bunch of times that his teams started off slow and then improved, but most of those times he had to trade for certain types of players, or had certain types players to start out with that we dont have. These are questions that I find myself asking myself lately. I think that the knicks may actually be better off getting a coach that can win now and at the same time teach them lessons to improve them for the future, Ive seen coaches do this before but larry cant for some reason.

oh and also if this team doesnt go with a full dedication to youth we're doomed in the worse way.



[Edited by - slimpack on 02-02-2006 11:25 PM]
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2/3/2006  7:25 AM
for all those who say LB's a bad fit tell me what it is he's asking his players to do that makes him a bad fit. because it looks to me like he's asking for effort, defense and taking care of the ball. So I guess a coach that doesnt drive those points would be better?

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2/3/2006  7:37 AM
I am 100% behind Brown. It is tough now and I wish he could adjust his style a bit for more success now, but I will bet that he will get what he wants and this team will play right soooner or later. Unfortunately it has been later.
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2/3/2006  7:43 AM
Posted by SlimPack:

well just about any legitemate coach would have a much better record right now
your right... Lenny had the team playing 16-13
How did that turn out?

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2/3/2006  8:34 AM
Posted by fishmike:

for all those who say LB's a bad fit tell me what it is he's asking his players to do that makes him a bad fit. because it looks to me like he's asking for effort, defense and taking care of the ball. So I guess a coach that doesnt drive those points would be better?

Paging Lenny Wilkins... paging Don Chaney...

Nice take. Yeah, Larry sucks making them play defense.

Based on yesterdays rumored quote that they "play the game their way" with larry gone might show the team don't get it yet. Larry got tossed for watching their backs about the amount of calls going the lakes way. Instead of "gee, larry really really cares about us and is out there for us" they really made a statement and got blown out even further.

Larry has not lost his mind in 6 months. Larry has coached for 31 years and knows what the hell he is doing.

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