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djsunyc
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2/2/2006  1:52 PM
brandon tierney was hosting. here's the recap:

- about the joking comment "we're free to play how we wanted" - isola said it's pretty prominent players that said it.

- things aren't improving and larry isn't going to change. he's a demanding guy and we knew in the summer that lb didn't love the roster. is it right? not all the times but he's trying to send a message to the players.

- back to the comments, did somebody hear it? no, it was revealed by a player after the game in the lockerroom. when lb got ejected, alot of the players were laughing and clapping b/c it was ironic that he left and that herb would take over.

- when isiah took over, he got rid of every player in the old regime. and lb feels in alot of ways, lb wants to change these players as well. the question is who will survive it?

- is there a division between isiah & lb based on brown's unwillingness to play some guys isiah should feel he should play? just by the nature of the job, the gm and coach will always be at odds about the job. (ex. mchale and flip). there's always going to be normal friction, then they are both high profile guys, never worked together, so things could get like this. all we heard from isiah was how good these players are, then he brings in lb who does nothing but rip them apart. everyone will tend to agree with lb b/c he's the one with the proven track record. look at what he did in philly but surrounding iverson with players and they went to the finals. lb type of players, defense first, tough minded physical players. lb feels alot of the players here are not that type of players.

- bt's point of view, he thinks it was q1 that said it. is he the biggest bust? isola says there were alot of contributing factors. he didn't score in the final game vs. the spurs. he loved playing there and was very surprised he was traded and was building a house there. he gained weight, he came to camp, then got injured, then the tragedy. it's been a bad year. q1 did do a great job vs. lebron in cleveland and did a good job vs. kobe. q1 is a tough minded player and doesn't back down against anybody.

- eddy curry - the big thing for him is being in shape. there are those nights where he looks dominant but too many nights where he fades away. lb talked about it after practice today was is eddy going to be committed to defense? will he rebound enough or alter shots on the defense? he's not concerned about the offensive side. used sam dalembert again as an example. the knicks feel that at his age, he should be making more of an effort on defense.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-02-2006 1:55 PM]
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2/2/2006  2:03 PM
look, as LB has said, you cant coach or motivate effort.
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2/2/2006  2:19 PM
Isola.......No **** sherlock

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2/2/2006  2:23 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

look, as LB has said, you cant coach or motivate effort.

He also says his team is a college team. If they are a college team then coach or motivate effort....that's what college coaches have to do. Who cares what LB says?

What will make him happy as a coach? What will make him happy so he can "play the right way"?

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2/2/2006  2:25 PM
Enyspree: Do you want to build a championship team around players that you have to coach to play hard?????

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2/2/2006  2:39 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Enyspree: Do you want to build a championship team around players that you have to coach to play hard?????

Thats bull****....as a coach you should know if the players think you are an idiot. It's very different at the lower levels because those kids are dealing with worring about getting in college and whether they will get kicked off the team cuz they didn't do what the coach says.....losing scholarships all that.

This is the NBA.....all the players can play. There is a certain amount of teaching you have to do especially if you got young guys but LB is acting like this is rocket science and the guys are new to the game. He basically says something crazy after every game. These guys are grown men. He's talking about them like they are complete idiots and everyone is eating that up.

What has happened is the players gave up on LB because he keeps sh it ting on them hard in the media and then being inconsistant with the minutes and rotations.....They don't have a plan of attack on offense either. I would give up on Coach Brown too. I would refuse to come in the game and demand to be traded.

LB was not the right pick for these Knicks.....he's failed. So fire him. Larry Brown will never be satisfied and I'm sick of hearing his mouth....I'm sure the players are way beyond that already. It's easier to fire Brown and get rid of his BS than to trade 15 players just to satisfy Brown.

During the 6 game winning streak the team looked liek they finally were gelling.....that's after LB finally stuck with a steady line-up. Then He starts to screw with it again. WTF?
These guys can play it's Larry Brown that is the true cancer. The team is not this bad.

Fire Larry.
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2/2/2006  2:41 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bippity10:

Enyspree: Do you want to build a championship team around players that you have to coach to play hard?????

Thats bull****....as a coach you should know if the players think you are an idiot. It's very different at the lower levels because those kids are dealing with worring about getting in college and whether they will get kicked off the team cuz they didn't do what the coach says.....losing scholarships all that.

This is the NBA.....all the players can play. There is a certain amount of teaching you have to do especially if you got young guys but LB is acting like this is rocket science and the guys are new to the game. He basically says something crazy after every game. These guys are grown men. He's talking about them like they are complete idiots and everyone is eating that up.

What has happened is the players gave up on LB because he keeps sh it ting on them hard in the media and then being inconsistant with the minutes and rotations.....They don't have a plan of attack on offense either. I would give up on Coach Brown too. I would refuse to come in the game and demand to be traded.

LB was not the right pick for these Knicks.....he's failed. So fire him. Larry Brown will never be satisfied and I'm sick of hearing his mouth....I'm sure the players are way beyond that already. It's easier to fire Brown and get rid of his BS than to trade 15 players just to satisfy Brown.

During the 6 game winning streak the team looked liek they finally were gelling.....that's after LB finally stuck with a steady line-up. Then He starts to screw with it again. WTF?
These guys can play it's Larry Brown that is the true cancer. The team is not this bad.

Fire Larry.

one question eny, what do you think this team's record should be right now 44 games into the season?
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2/2/2006  2:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bippity10:

Enyspree: Do you want to build a championship team around players that you have to coach to play hard?????

Thats bull****....as a coach you should know if the players think you are an idiot. It's very different at the lower levels because those kids are dealing with worring about getting in college and whether they will get kicked off the team cuz they didn't do what the coach says.....losing scholarships all that.

This is the NBA.....all the players can play. There is a certain amount of teaching you have to do especially if you got young guys but LB is acting like this is rocket science and the guys are new to the game. He basically says something crazy after every game. These guys are grown men. He's talking about them like they are complete idiots and everyone is eating that up.

What has happened is the players gave up on LB because he keeps sh it ting on them hard in the media and then being inconsistant with the minutes and rotations.....They don't have a plan of attack on offense either. I would give up on Coach Brown too. I would refuse to come in the game and demand to be traded.

LB was not the right pick for these Knicks.....he's failed. So fire him. Larry Brown will never be satisfied and I'm sick of hearing his mouth....I'm sure the players are way beyond that already. It's easier to fire Brown and get rid of his BS than to trade 15 players just to satisfy Brown.

During the 6 game winning streak the team looked liek they finally were gelling.....that's after LB finally stuck with a steady line-up. Then He starts to screw with it again. WTF?
These guys can play it's Larry Brown that is the true cancer. The team is not this bad.

Fire Larry.

one question eny, what do you think this team's record should be right now 44 games into the season?
i'm not eny, but seriously, around 500.

lets look at the facts for this season:

big trade early in preseason disrupted the team (but got us better players)

LB/players adjusting to each other / playbook

3 rookies

2 sophs in Ariza and Butler who haven't really done much

Crawford who doesnt know how to play the game

Malik Rose / MoT - mediocre PFs

Penny - worthless ending contract

Marbury - struggling to play the right way

Zero players who are leaders

Zero players who play defense

Zero SGs

Quentin Injured

Big Game not playing like he played during the Sac-Town playoffs

No SF for a while until Q2 brought in

In general, total franchise disarray and chaos

Two unprotected lottery picks to the bulls over the next two years.
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2/2/2006  2:48 PM
Even so, the team has talent and LB should make it work
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No back up PG.
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2/2/2006  3:46 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bippity10:

Enyspree: Do you want to build a championship team around players that you have to coach to play hard?????

Thats bull****....as a coach you should know if the players think you are an idiot. It's very different at the lower levels because those kids are dealing with worring about getting in college and whether they will get kicked off the team cuz they didn't do what the coach says.....losing scholarships all that.

This is the NBA.....all the players can play. There is a certain amount of teaching you have to do especially if you got young guys but LB is acting like this is rocket science and the guys are new to the game. He basically says something crazy after every game. These guys are grown men. He's talking about them like they are complete idiots and everyone is eating that up.

What has happened is the players gave up on LB because he keeps sh it ting on them hard in the media and then being inconsistant with the minutes and rotations.....They don't have a plan of attack on offense either. I would give up on Coach Brown too. I would refuse to come in the game and demand to be traded.

LB was not the right pick for these Knicks.....he's failed. So fire him. Larry Brown will never be satisfied and I'm sick of hearing his mouth....I'm sure the players are way beyond that already. It's easier to fire Brown and get rid of his BS than to trade 15 players just to satisfy Brown.

During the 6 game winning streak the team looked liek they finally were gelling.....that's after LB finally stuck with a steady line-up. Then He starts to screw with it again. WTF?
These guys can play it's Larry Brown that is the true cancer. The team is not this bad.

Fire Larry.


For the most part I agree with you about Brown. But I can't see Isiah firing a hall of fame coach. If he does, thats an idictment on Isiah because he'll be the fourth coach in two years for the knicks to be removed.

So one of two things need to happen. Brown may take a leave of absence due to health reasons which could lead to an early retirement (unlikely, considering he has a bundle comming to him)

Or, Isiah just needs to start auctioning off these overpaid veterans. It seems as if players who already tasted individual sucess at the NBA level have a harder time adjusting to Brown's style. Marbury, Craw, etc probably feel they have already proven they can play on this level, so why should they have to change?

Whereas, rookies (Frye, Lee) or medicore/overachieving players (Snow, Tyrone Hill) have a easier time adjusting because they don't know of sucess at this level. I don't want to see a team full overachievers, so Isiah needs to seriously go into rebuild mode. No more half a** rosters. Trade Marbury and the rest of the vets for deadweight with expiring deals and hope to squeeze in draft pick or two.


[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-02-2006 3:47 PM]
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Thats bull****....as a coach you should know if the players think you are an idiot. It's very different at the lower levels because those kids are dealing with worring about getting in college and whether they will get kicked off the team cuz they didn't do what the coach says.....losing scholarships all that.

This is the NBA.....all the players can play. There is a certain amount of teaching you have to do especially if you got young guys but LB is acting like this is rocket science and the guys are new to the game. He basically says something crazy after every game. These guys are grown men. He's talking about them like they are complete idiots and everyone is eating that up.

What has happened is the players gave up on LB because he keeps sh it ting on them hard in the media and then being inconsistant with the minutes and rotations.....They don't have a plan of attack on offense either. I would give up on Coach Brown too. I would refuse to come in the game and demand to be traded.

LB was not the right pick for these Knicks.....he's failed. So fire him. Larry Brown will never be satisfied and I'm sick of hearing his mouth....I'm sure the players are way beyond that already. It's easier to fire Brown and get rid of his BS than to trade 15 players just to satisfy Brown.

During the 6 game winning streak the team looked liek they finally were gelling.....that's after LB finally stuck with a steady line-up. Then He starts to screw with it again. WTF?
These guys can play it's Larry Brown that is the true cancer. The team is not this bad.

Fire Larry.

Right on Eny.

The team appeared to give maximum effort until just recently. But what difference does it make? You play hard, you play well, you drop 25/13, or 30+, but you can't have a bad game or else you ended up playing behind Rose and AD.

You start 20 games, then you get a DNP after a couple of poor games.

You're the best player on the team, but the coach tries to make you play like Charlie Ward!

Of course the team is revolting! And I mean that in 2 ways!

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 02-02-2006 4:08 PM]
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2/2/2006  4:09 PM
Eddy Curry had been playing great all week and ended off the week with one of his best games against Orlando 27 pts and 10rbs. Then he struggled against the Sixers and Brown talks about how much he loves Dalmebert and Curry should play like him. It's comment like that, when Brown expresses his love for everyone else's players except his own that become annoying.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-02-2006 4:14 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-02-2006 4:16 PM]
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Is there anything that can be done to motivate the players? I dont know what can be done to start winning games. I am sick of watching games where no one wants to defend or rebound. I am not in the locker room and in practice so I dunno if I can say anything about what the players should do. I really hope they stop quitting on a hall of fame coach. Is it Marbury? Who is the problem here?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 02-02-2006 4:12 PM]
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2/2/2006  4:25 PM
^^^
The problem is LB !! Finally someone posted the proper thread for whats going on with the knicks !!! Thanks guys for finally telling the truth !!
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2/2/2006  5:26 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

look, as LB has said, you cant coach or motivate effort.

That's a cop out.
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2/2/2006  5:31 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Caseloads:

look, as LB has said, you cant coach or motivate effort.

That's a cop out.

How can you make someone play hard? This is the NBA, Larry shouldn't have to bring out the pom poms in order for his players to be motivated.
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Noone on our roster has led anyone anywhere except for our coach and yet we want to give them the benefit of the doubt. I think you guys are nuts. You're right let's go back to doing things Marbs' way or Curry's way or Crawford's way because that will get us somewhere.

Curry has been a guy that has put up 20 pts one night and 5 pts and no rebounds the next for his entire career. He has been comfortable doing this and that is why it hasn't changed. Now he has a coach that is making a stand. They all have a coach that is making a stand trying to turn them into winners by making them accountable for their actions and what do you want? A coach that will allow them to do it their old way. They were losers, but at least they were comfortbable.

There is a reason why all of our players are overpaid.
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2/2/2006  6:07 PM
Curry has been a guy that has put up 20 pts one night and 5 pts and no rebounds the next for his entire career. He has been comfortable doing this and that is why it hasn't changed. Now he has a coach that is making a stand. They all have a coach that is making a stand trying to turn them into winners by making them accountable for their actions and what do you want? A coach that will allow them to do it their old way. They were losers, but at least they were comfortbable.

What stand has Brown taken on Curry? If Curry is available to play, he gets a lot of minutes. That is the way it has gone this season, despite Curry being as inconsistent a player on the Knicks as anyone else, he appears to "take breaks" more than anyone on the team.

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2/2/2006  6:15 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Caseloads:

look, as LB has said, you cant coach or motivate effort.

That's a cop out.

How can you make someone play hard? This is the NBA, Larry shouldn't have to bring out the pom poms in order for his players to be motivated.

Through positive and negative reinforcment, and by using motivational skills
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