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djsunyc
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2/1/2006  10:09 PM
Brown Speaks. Is Anyone Listening?
By LIZ ROBBINS

GREENBURGH, N.Y., Feb. 1 — Larry Brown peered through his horn-rimmed glasses Wednesday afternoon and, as the coach of the Knicks and the only official voice of the organization talking these days, calmly addressed the mess on the court.

He called it befuddling. And that made the most sense of all.

Brown's reluctance to settle on a lineup or a rotation has confused his players and boomeranged, possibly contributing to an aimless team with a 14-30 record. Such a state seems to mirror the dysfunction off the court at Madison Square Garden.

Isiah Thomas, the team's president, is not providing any answers because he is embroiled in the sexual harassment suit that the former team executive Anucha Browne Sanders filed against him and the Garden last week. Thomas rarely talked before the lawsuit.

Steve Mills, the Garden president, smiled but declined to comment Tuesday night after the Knicks' 130-97 loss to Kobe Bryant and the Lakers.

The smoke has still not cleared. Brown, who did not speak after being ejected in the third quarter Tuesday, criticized his players' effort Wednesday, emphasizing the disconnect he has had with them and, in the process, virtually impugning the youthful roster Thomas gave him.

"Coaches coach execution, they're not supposed to coach effort," Brown said. "I've never been in a situation where that has ever been an issue for me. I've always been places where I knew I could count on the effort. Again, this is as young a group as I've had in a long time."

Throughout his career, Brown has never been a youth advocate. "With young guys, I feel like I've got to figure out a way where how it really clicks," he said. "I'm searching right now."

Brown, a Hall of Fame coach whose system is rooted in defense, is presiding over a team that allowed 110.2 points a game, on 48.2 percent shooting, in its nine losses over its past 10 games.

"We're way behind in terms of matching up in potential," Brown said of his team's defense. "Can we be the kind of defensive team like San Antonio or Detroit? No, I don't think we have the personnel, the athleticism or the shot-blocking. Can we be a good defensive team? Yes. I really believe we lacked the commitment in terms of effort and the toughness in terms of having a mind-set and the trust, and then, to be honest with you, I ought to be coaching them better than that."

In a clue to the distance that seems to exist between the hard-driving coach and his players, Brown admitted that the veteran team captain Antonio Davis approached him at Wednesday's optional practice and told him to simplify things.

"I've been simple and consistent in defense, but we are dealing with a lot of young guys and a lot of guys where this wasn't a priority to them," Brown said.

"We've been pointing out the same things over and over again, and they keep popping up in film sessions. You hope guys watching will do something about it, and it's kind of befuddling right now because we do the same things over and over again."

Throughout his career, Brown has always favored veterans over rookies. In Philadelphia, Brown had Tim Thomas and Larry Hughes traded. He kept LeBron James and Amare Stoudemire on the bench at the Olympics in 2004.

Thomas has drafted Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, David Lee and Trevor Ariza. None of them are in the starting lineup; Lee is barely in the rotation and Ariza is ensconced in Brown's doghouse. Qyntel Woods, a troubled forward who was unwanted by Portland and Miami, started and played a game-high 37 minutes Tuesday.

"This is a much different team than I expected to have," Brown said. "I never imagined the young kids — Qyntel, Nate, David Lee, Channing, Eddy Curry, Jackie Butler, Trevor — people like that playing. I think it's difficult for young guys, and that's been the case."

Curry, in his fifth season in the league, has signed close to a $60 million deal. Frye was the one player Thomas refused to part with when the Knicks talked with the Indiana Pacers about acquiring Ron Artest. Lee, who had started throughout the Knicks' six-game winning streak at the start of January, played only six minutes Tuesday

"But I really believe what Isiah's done here is he's got some kids who can grow and get better," Brown said.

In Brown's system, with young players being inconsistent, growth is hard to chart. It is possible to think that Brown, who once had his eye on becoming a team president in Cleveland, will consider taking over personnel matters if Thomas's situation comes to an untimely ending.

For now, Brown seems to be running the show, saying that his young players are going through an "an advanced science class that will help them down the road."

But is he the mad scientist in this picture?

Since winning his 1,000th career game on Jan. 13, Brown has watched the Knicks unravel while using seven different starting lineups. He has employed 27 starting lineups so far this season.

"Most of it is because of injuries we've had," Brown said.

Some of his shuffling also comes from his players' inherent inconsistencies — Jamal Crawford and Curry also struggled in Chicago — and no reliable veteran outside Stephon Marbury.

"His whole point — and I'm just guessing — is that he wants everybody to be prepared at all times," Frye said before Tuesday's game against the Lakers. "If you know you have the opportunity to start, you're going to be a little more excited to play, you're going to be more hungry in practice."

But it seems as if the opposite has occurred. Brown implied that the team quit during Monday's loss in Atlanta, giving up 120 points to one of the worst teams in the league.

On Tuesday, the Knicks allowed Andrew Bynum, the Lakers' 18-year-old rookie center, to score a career-high 16 points, all in the fourth quarter. He shot 7 of 7 from the field. By that point, Brown had been ejected and was watching from his office.

One Knick did not give up, as Brown plainly saw. Robinson threw down a showy unguarded dunk in the final nine seconds and turned to taunt the Lakers' bench. Bryant only laughed.

Brown's staff put that into the film clips, with the score superimposed over the play as a message.

"When you look at our game, so many young kids coming from A.A.U. programs, everybody giving them things, they don't know about the importance of winning and losing and doing the right thing," Brown said.

The Knicks are paying Brown a salary of $10 million a year. Asked about how he approached the difficult circumstances, he said matter-of-factly: "Oh, it's killing me. But it's my responsibility to get this thing right, and I got to do my job better."
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2/1/2006  10:22 PM
I wish he would say no comment every once in a while and take his ass home. I'm sick of hearing this BS.....The players are sick of it but wont say but so much cuz they don't want to be traded.


I'm just sick of this whole debate.

Thank God for the Yankees.
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2/1/2006  10:24 PM
One Knick did not give up, as Brown plainly saw. Robinson threw down a showy unguarded dunk in the final nine seconds and turned to taunt the Lakers' bench. Bryant only laughed.

Brown's staff put that into the film clips, with the score superimposed over the play as a message.

"When you look at our game, so many young kids coming from A.A.U. programs, everybody giving them things, they don't know about the importance of winning and losing and doing the right thing," Brown said.



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2/1/2006  10:35 PM
Posted by McK1:
One Knick did not give up, as Brown plainly saw. Robinson threw down a showy unguarded dunk in the final nine seconds and turned to taunt the Lakers' bench. Bryant only laughed.

Brown's staff put that into the film clips, with the score superimposed over the play as a message.

"When you look at our game, so many young kids coming from A.A.U. programs, everybody giving them things, they don't know about the importance of winning and losing and doing the right thing," Brown said.



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They're never seen together, so it's possible.

[Edited by - BASKETBALLJONES on 02-01-2006 15:42]
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2/1/2006  10:41 PM
Brown acts like he didn't know this team was relatively young before he took the job. The only player added to this group after he took the job was Curry. The fact that he thought he could win with TimThmas, JJ and Sweets on the front line is laughable.

And why everytime he rips the team for not executing, he ends off his statement by saying 'I have to a better job of coaching' I'm sick of his double talk.............

[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-01-2006 10:57 PM]
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2/1/2006  10:45 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

Brown Speaks. Is Anyone Listening?
By LIZ ROBBINS

GREENBURGH, N.Y., Feb. 1 —

"This is a much different team than I expected to have," Brown said. "I never imagined the young kids — Qyntel, Nate, David Lee, Channing, Eddy Curry, Jackie Butler, Trevor — people like that playing. I think it's difficult for young guys, and that's been the case."

different team than what he expected to have????

wasnt this THE team when he signed with the Knicks? the only additions have been Curry and Woods.

This man is the one responsible for this current record

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2/1/2006  10:48 PM
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2/1/2006  11:52 PM
Brown said of his team's defense. "Can we be the kind of defensive team like San Antonio or Detroit? No, I don't think we have the personnel, the athleticism or the shot-blocking.

I agree that both detroit and SA had better defenders and shotblockers, but more athletic? I don't agree with that, SA is about the least athletic championship team I have seen since the 80's celtics.... Detroit has some good athletes nothing freakish or great...
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2/2/2006  12:49 AM
Michael Kay mentioned on his radio show today that Tom Penders once told him that a coach is responsible for getting his team to play hard. Too bad Larry disagrees.

It seems obvious that he took the job for the money.
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2/2/2006  12:52 AM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by djsunyc:

Brown Speaks. Is Anyone Listening?
By LIZ ROBBINS

GREENBURGH, N.Y., Feb. 1 —

"This is a much different team than I expected to have," Brown said. "I never imagined the young kids — Qyntel, Nate, David Lee, Channing, Eddy Curry, Jackie Butler, Trevor — people like that playing. I think it's difficult for young guys, and that's been the case."

different team than what he expected to have????

wasnt this THE team when he signed with the Knicks? the only additions have been Curry and Woods.

This man is the one responsible for this current record

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2/2/2006  2:30 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

I wish he would say no comment every once in a while and take his ass home. I'm sick of hearing this BS.....The players are sick of it but wont say but so much cuz they don't want to be traded.


I'm just sick of this whole debate.

Thank God for the Yankees.
no sheeeot. Couple weeks till pitchers and catchers. Season tix holder... thank god for small miracles

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2/2/2006  3:16 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by EnySpree:

I wish he would say no comment every once in a while and take his ass home. I'm sick of hearing this BS.....The players are sick of it but wont say but so much cuz they don't want to be traded.


I'm just sick of this whole debate.

Thank God for the Yankees.
no sheeeot. Couple weeks till pitchers and catchers. Season tix holder... thank god for small miracles

Someone is always giving away tickets at my job or my pops job and I always try to get out there in those bleachers at the last minute.

Thank God for the Yankees man.....the Yanks can lose every year, every game for the rest of eternity.....26 Championships? Yeah bitch....go **** yourself, lol.....that's what I tell all the Yankee haters
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2/2/2006  7:13 AM
Brown has always known what to say but he seems to have forgotten what to do!!
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2/2/2006  8:45 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by djsunyc:

Brown Speaks. Is Anyone Listening?
By LIZ ROBBINS

GREENBURGH, N.Y., Feb. 1 —

"This is a much different team than I expected to have," Brown said. "I never imagined the young kids — Qyntel, Nate, David Lee, Channing, Eddy Curry, Jackie Butler, Trevor — people like that playing. I think it's difficult for young guys, and that's been the case."

different team than what he expected to have????

wasnt this THE team when he signed with the Knicks? the only additions have been Curry and Woods.

This man is the one responsible for this current record

Swishy!!!!!


sup man...I see you, GoNy and TkF holding it down.

*but back to Knicks news*

first JVG and now Brown.....these coaches are killing me
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2/2/2006  9:09 AM
i heard brown is going to talk to nate for dunking and glaring at kobe. if i was brown i would not say anything because at least nate showed some heart by being aggressive even if it is towards the best player in the league especially after he started pushing frye around. i wonder what affect did that have on frye when none of his teammates stepped up to help him.
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Posted by jazz74:

i heard brown is going to talk to nate for dunking and glaring at kobe. if i was brown i would not say anything because at least nate showed some heart by being aggressive even if it is towards the best player in the league especially after he started pushing frye around. i wonder what affect did that have on frye when none of his teammates stepped up to help him.

IT wasn't like Kobe was hitting on him, he was just talking.

Nate dunking and glaring at Kobe is stupid! Quite frankly the dunking bravado is often over rated anyway. No way if a team is down, let alone by 30 points should they even be doing that.

Does it show Nate cares? Nate can care in other ways. LIke listening to his coaches. LIke not playing the jester at times.

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Posted by jazz74:

i heard brown is going to talk to nate for dunking and glaring at kobe. if i was brown i would not say anything because at least nate showed some heart by being aggressive even if it is towards the best player in the league especially after he started pushing frye around. i wonder what affect did that have on frye when none of his teammates stepped up to help him.


So you think dunking and posing after a 33 point loss doesn't say something about the mentality of our players and shouldn't be addressed????? Dunking and posing after a 33 point loss and not understanding why this is wrong is the reason we are losing!!!! It's this mentality that has haunted some of these players for years. It's the reason why hall of fame coach's are being questioned by young players and guys that have never won. This is the mentality that has you so miserable everytime you watch the games. Defense during the game and stopping your man from scoring isn't important. Don't get hyped about stopping your guy from scoring, but get hyped when you have a meaningless dunk at the end of a 33 point loss. Waht is wrong with you people????
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2/2/2006  10:48 AM
Nate dunking and flexing doesn't show you a great attitude or unbelievable effort of some sort. It shows you that he doesn't grasp a simple concept, like the difference between winning and losing.
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2/2/2006  10:57 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by jazz74:

i heard brown is going to talk to nate for dunking and glaring at kobe. if i was brown i would not say anything because at least nate showed some heart by being aggressive even if it is towards the best player in the league especially after he started pushing frye around. i wonder what affect did that have on frye when none of his teammates stepped up to help him.


So you think dunking and posing after a 33 point loss doesn't say something about the mentality of our players and shouldn't be addressed????? Dunking and posing after a 33 point loss and not understanding why this is wrong is the reason we are losing!!!! It's this mentality that has haunted some of these players for years. It's the reason why hall of fame coach's are being questioned by young players and guys that have never won. This is the mentality that has you so miserable everytime you watch the games. Defense during the game and stopping your man from scoring isn't important. Don't get hyped about stopping your guy from scoring, but get hyped when you have a meaningless dunk at the end of a 33 point loss. Waht is wrong with you people????

wait, let me reiterate what i am trying to say. yeah i agree that it is showing off when you are getting killed BUT it did show some emotion in a group that has been so lifeless the past two weeks. hey, i am a teacher and i deal with children doing the same thing thinking that style should take over substance. it is not like we are talking about a loser. nate has been involve in winning programs most of his life. he does have a passion to win. i thought he showed more emotion than any knick on the team that night. i think are team should have that attitude instead of being lethargic and yucking it up in the locker room or wherever thinking the game is some joke. pride, people. nate was trying to show pride. who else tried to do that?
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I agree with you, we all like his enthusiasm but the problem is his enthusiasm is clearly misguided. The only thing he needs to focus on is winning. I'd rather see him disrupt the team by climbing a ladder and punching Eddy Curry in the face for allowing an 18 year old to get easy baskets than flex after a dunk. Yell at a lethargic teammate. Slam the ball after another lay-up. Slam your head into the scorers table after your assist to turnover ratio climbs above 1:2.

All of these actions would be wrong but at least would show you understand the game is about winning. Dunking and flexing after a 33 point loss just seems to show that at least this year on that night, winning and losing waasn't that important to you. It was a loss of focus. A loss of focus that pervades this team and is responsible for our constant late second quarter and all through the third quarter collapses. It is this loss of focus that must be eliminated from the heads of our players. We cannot be soft and complacent on these guys. We must get rid of it now, so we aren't watching the same mistakes 3 years from now with a new savior coach running the team and being blamed for the losses.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-02-2006 11:16 AM]
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