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djsunyc
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2/1/2006  4:03 PM
let's say we move steph in a salary dump (jalen rose + mike james or something like that)
we dump rose + one of our young guys for an expiring deal next year and a pick
do not use the MLE this summer
let penny + AD expire
let mike james walk

we play the young guys and win only 25 games next year
primary roster is craw, nate, qyntel, lee, frye, curry, mo, jalen, and some one year rentals

but we would be about $15-20 mil UNDER the cap in the summer of 2007

and as a show of good faith, lower tickets $5 a piece to repair the fanbase/management relationship.

would you guys be willing to suck it up for another year?

chances of this happening are about 0.192%

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2006 4:08 PM]
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2/1/2006  4:10 PM

No, we swap pick with Bulls next year.

Steph is rehabbing into a real allstar Point.
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2/1/2006  4:12 PM
Yup, there is no worse scenario than the Knicks ending up giving Oden to the Bulls.
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2/1/2006  4:17 PM
I don't mind losing. I mind mortgaging the future, pretending that having a collection of misfit 20-25 year olds (most of whom are nothing but role players) is rebuilding and not having any plan at all other than self preservation.
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2/1/2006  4:21 PM
Posted by Rich:

Yup, there is no worse scenario than the Knicks ending up giving Oden to the Bulls.

Why do people care about who the Bulls get? The picks are gone, that should be enough. Sure we'll look back at who we could have gotten but the point is that 2 potential lottery picks are gone and Isiah needs to be fired. It's not a matter of, well the Bulls got so and so, it's the fact that 2 lottery picks, 2 high second round picks, Sweetney and a large expiring contract are gone and we have heartless, gutless and forever out of shape Curry instead.
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2/1/2006  4:22 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I don't mind losing. I mind mortgaging the future, pretending that having a collection of misfit 20-25 year olds (most of whom are nothing but role players) is rebuilding and not having any plan at all other than self preservation.


Islesfan this has been the problem with our team for decades. This is what I've been harping on for years since my first visit to a Knicks messageboard. The reason why GM's don't rebuild is because they know they will be fired long before the successs happens. If we want to create a winning atmosphere we must create a stable environment where firings are a last resort. We need stability. We need a GM and a coach that have a plan together. Until we have that we will just be firing one GM and coach after another. Fire Isiah. I don't care. but the next guy will just be the same story until we have stability.
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2/1/2006  4:30 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

Yup, there is no worse scenario than the Knicks ending up giving Oden to the Bulls.

Why do people care about who the Bulls get? The picks are gone, that should be enough. Sure we'll look back at who we could have gotten but the point is that 2 potential lottery picks are gone and Isiah needs to be fired. It's not a matter of, well the Bulls got so and so, it's the fact that 2 lottery picks, 2 high second round picks, Sweetney and a large expiring contract are gone and we have heartless, gutless and forever out of shape Curry instead.

We shouldn't care what the Bulls get, be all in all we do care. It's hard to swallow come May when the Lotto is taking place and Paxson pumps his fist in the air after getting our #1 pick. I'm sorry I rather try to win as much games as possible so that pick isn't a top 5. Yes it won't make much of a difference, but it will pain me dearly if I get to watch that Paxson and the rest of the Bulls organization jump for joy at our expense.

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2/1/2006  5:06 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

Yup, there is no worse scenario than the Knicks ending up giving Oden to the Bulls.

Why do people care about who the Bulls get? The picks are gone, that should be enough.
I actually agree with you! In psychology, it's called a sunk cost. The picks are part of the Bulls' future and irrelevant to ours. They could get the next Lebron or the next Darko and it changes nothing for the *Knicks*
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2/1/2006  5:20 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

Yup, there is no worse scenario than the Knicks ending up giving Oden to the Bulls.

Why do people care about who the Bulls get? The picks are gone, that should be enough.
I actually agree with you! In psychology, it's called a sunk cost. The picks are part of the Bulls' future and irrelevant to ours. They could get the next Lebron or the next Darko and it changes nothing for the *Knicks*

Why wouldn't it be a quite natural thing to be constantly assessing the cost to us of the individual that Chicago selects, since he was once ours? Aren't we going to continue to identify with that pick? Isn't it natural that we anticipate the experience of loss if that player ends up being someone we covet, particularly more so than Eddy Curry?
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2/1/2006  5:23 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

Yup, there is no worse scenario than the Knicks ending up giving Oden to the Bulls.

Why do people care about who the Bulls get? The picks are gone, that should be enough.
I actually agree with you! In psychology, it's called a sunk cost. The picks are part of the Bulls' future and irrelevant to ours. They could get the next Lebron or the next Darko and it changes nothing for the *Knicks*

Why wouldn't it be a quite natural thing to be constantly assessing the cost to us of the individual that Chicago selects, since he was once ours? Aren't we going to continue to identify with that pick? Isn't it natural that we anticipate the experience of loss if that player ends up being someone we covet, particularly more so than Eddy Curry?

Don't get me wrong, of course we're going to identify with that pick but it's not necessarily who they get but who we could have gotten. Regardless of who they get it doesn't lessen the cost of what we gave up.
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2/1/2006  5:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

Yup, there is no worse scenario than the Knicks ending up giving Oden to the Bulls.

Why do people care about who the Bulls get? The picks are gone, that should be enough.
I actually agree with you! In psychology, it's called a sunk cost. The picks are part of the Bulls' future and irrelevant to ours. They could get the next Lebron or the next Darko and it changes nothing for the *Knicks*

It's not a sunk cost because the cost of the 2007 pick is currently indeterminate, and the Knicks have the capacity to affect its ultimate value.
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2/1/2006  5:35 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

Yup, there is no worse scenario than the Knicks ending up giving Oden to the Bulls.

Why do people care about who the Bulls get? The picks are gone, that should be enough.
I actually agree with you! In psychology, it's called a sunk cost. The picks are part of the Bulls' future and irrelevant to ours. They could get the next Lebron or the next Darko and it changes nothing for the *Knicks*

Why wouldn't it be a quite natural thing to be constantly assessing the cost to us of the individual that Chicago selects, since he was once ours? Aren't we going to continue to identify with that pick? Isn't it natural that we anticipate the experience of loss if that player ends up being someone we covet, particularly more so than Eddy Curry?

Don't get me wrong, of course we're going to identify with that pick but it's not necessarily who they get but who we could have gotten. Regardless of who they get it doesn't lessen the cost of what we gave up.

I don;'t think that's true in terms of how people work. You mean to tell me that fans in Memphis don't take more solace from having traded Darko for Thorpe than they would have Melo? Sure it's not logical, but it's emotional reasoning and we're emotional creatures. People were just noting here recently that they don't feel so badly about getting McDyess since Camby and Nene were both hurt.
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2/1/2006  5:41 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

Yup, there is no worse scenario than the Knicks ending up giving Oden to the Bulls.

Why do people care about who the Bulls get? The picks are gone, that should be enough.
I actually agree with you! In psychology, it's called a sunk cost. The picks are part of the Bulls' future and irrelevant to ours. They could get the next Lebron or the next Darko and it changes nothing for the *Knicks*

Why wouldn't it be a quite natural thing to be constantly assessing the cost to us of the individual that Chicago selects, since he was once ours? Aren't we going to continue to identify with that pick? Isn't it natural that we anticipate the experience of loss if that player ends up being someone we covet, particularly more so than Eddy Curry?

Don't get me wrong, of course we're going to identify with that pick but it's not necessarily who they get but who we could have gotten. Regardless of who they get it doesn't lessen the cost of what we gave up.

I don;'t think that's true in terms of how people work. You mean to tell me that fans in Memphis don't take more solace from having traded Darko for Thorpe than they would have Melo? Sure it's not logical, but it's emotional reasoning and we're emotional creatures. People were just noting here recently that they don't feel so badly about getting McDyess since Camby and Nene were both hurt.

It probably is EXACTLY how people think. That doesn't mean it can be rationally justified. Chicago can use the pick wisely or stupidly. The only thing that actually matters to us now is how Eddy develops.
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2/1/2006  5:43 PM
Posted by Rich:

It's not a sunk cost because the cost of the 2007 pick is currently indeterminate, and the Knicks have the capacity to affect its ultimate value.

yup. I bet 90% of Knicks fans don't realize Isiah did that anyway.
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2/1/2006  8:27 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

let's say we move steph in a salary dump (jalen rose + mike james or something like that)
we dump rose + one of our young guys for an expiring deal next year and a pick
do not use the MLE this summer
let penny + AD expire
let mike james walk

we play the young guys and win only 25 games next year
primary roster is craw, nate, qyntel, lee, frye, curry, mo, jalen, and some one year rentals

but we would be about $15-20 mil UNDER the cap in the summer of 2007

and as a show of good faith, lower tickets $5 a piece to repair the fanbase/management relationship.

would you guys be willing to suck it up for another year?

chances of this happening are about 0.192%

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2006 4:08 PM]

wouldn't we have to give part of MLE to QWoods to resign him? He's startign to play well and i think by the end of the season he'd be a player some teams would be interested in.
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2/2/2006  12:46 AM
Hell no! That Roster + 15 mill to spend on a player sucks even worse than now. How much do you think a plpayer of Steph's caliber would cost anyway? With our luck we'd have to pay way more than 15 million. Not to mention giving the Bulls the #1 pick next year. A step backward w/o potential ofr benefit in the near future or even several years later. We would suck for way more than a season.
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2/2/2006  1:03 AM
I know it doesn't seem likely now but there is NO GAURANTEE that we will give the Bulls our pick next year. If we are worse than them then yes, otherwise no. No one knows what this team will be like next year, despite any pessimism that exists.
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2/2/2006  9:07 AM
I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS BUT I AM SO FCKIN TIRED OF LOSING. IM SO FCKIN TIRED OF THIS TEAM GETTING HOPES UP, CHARGING ME ABSURD AMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR SEASON TICKETS, HYPING THE SHT OUT OF EVERYTHING THEN COMING OUT AND DOING NOTHING

I AM SICK AND FCKIN TIRED OF ALL THE EXCUSES AND RATIONALIZING THATS BEEN GOING ON.

ENOUGH!

All I know is something has to change around here and it better happen fast. Don't get me wrong I'm all for rebuilding and I really think we should, but what the hell are we doing here? We're in cap hell playing a bunch of rookies and selfish lazy millionaires who do nothing but embarrass the city a on a nightly basis.

Whats it going to take for us as fans to start getting angry? I know I am.

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