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martin
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1/31/2006  11:11 AM
I guess I didn't know this fact. Was this when Cablevision bought the team and who were the owners before this time? Or was 1997 just a corporate buy for Cablevision and the Dolans have somehow owned the Knicks for longer.
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Rich
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1/31/2006  11:20 AM
Yes, from ITT.

http://money.cnn.com/1997/03/06/deals/itt/
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1/31/2006  11:20 AM
ITT bought half of it with CVC in 1995 and was forced to sell out to CVC due to a corporate take over attempt in 1997
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1/31/2006  11:23 AM
Re: Dolan:

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/01/31/sports/basketball/31araton.html

January 31, 2006
Sports of The Times
When Grace Was Needed, Dolan Fumbled
By HARVEY ARATON

KOBE BRYANT makes his annual visit to Madison Square Garden with the Lakers tonight, briefly diverting attention from the sordid house dysfunction, barring a news bulletin that outs Isiah Thomas as a covert operative of Al Qaeda.

Then again, here comes Kobe, the provocateur behind another door the N.B.A. wished had stayed closed, to remind us that he at least had the sense two and a half years ago to ask the Colorado law enforcement folks how he might make a charge of sexual assault go away before word got out.

In the now-explosive case of Anucha Browne Sanders, the recently fired Knicks marketing executive, against Thomas, the embattled team president, the most gripping question beyond who is telling the truth and who isn't is why any of this had to become public knowledge in the first place.

What could James L. Dolan, the Garden's chairman, have possibly been thinking when he, the person with the last call as the holder of the golden checkbook, instead signed off on the dismissal of Browne Saunders after she filed a complaint within the company against Thomas?

Did his high-powered lawyers really advise Dolan that Browne Sanders had no case in court and could be vanquished without negotiating a suitable severance that would, as the lawyers say, make her whole? Or was Browne Sanders another Jets stadium to spurn, another perceived infidel to slay, another chance for the son of a rich man who wanted to be a rebellious rocker to smash his toy basketball team all over the stage?

When Dolan needed to be a pragmatic manager and chant: "War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing," he opted for his longtime anthem, "A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall." Could he really be so uncompromising and disdainful of the public and his critics that he would destroy Thomas in the interests of defending him, and expose his organization and the N.B.A. to so much residual shame?

"Most of us who do this day in and day out, we seek to resolve cases at the earliest stages — resolve it and learn something from it," Jack Tuckner of Tuckner, Sipser, Weinstock & Sipser, a Manhattan law firm that specializes in women's rights in the workplace, said yesterday in a telephone interview.

"Sometimes it behooves the organization not to fall to its knees, but all of the extracurricular possibilities have to be considered. Are you going to withstand, Mr. Thomas, the scrutiny for the things you may have forgotten? Whose interests is this going to serve, besides the attorneys? You can see this is not in the best interests of the organization, nor for her, in terms of remaking her career. But somebody went ahead and made a decision that would want to make David Stern pull his hair out."

That could only be Dolan, sending a message to Stern, the N.B.A. commissioner, that he couldn't care less about his carefully developed strategy to better the league's image. Unlike the players now shorn of their collarless shirts and sandals, Dolan will wear whichever scandal suits him.

What's new here? Nothing. A pattern of listening to no one and making business decisions in moments of pique can be traced back to when Dolan jettisoned Dave Checketts, who had power for a decade, first as the chief Knicks executive, then as the Garden president. Checketts was the buffer between Dolan and the Garden's jewels, the Rangers and the Knicks. Now Dolan makes decisions, and the results speak for themselves.

You can be a member of the chorus that has seized upon the Browne Sanders lawsuit to call for Thomas's dismissal based more on his basketball decisions. Or you can believe that the disaster Thomas inherited from Scott Layden entitles him to a longer grace period. But who can misidentify the common denominator that has turned a beloved arena in the heart of New York into a cold, forbidding fortress?

For all the bile directed at Thomas, for all the skeletons being dragged from his closet, if Stern had a wand and Knicks fans had a wish, wouldn't the prudent one be to make Dolan disappear, excised in the best interests of the franchise and the league?

Only last summer, Stern threw his weight behind minority owners in Atlanta in successfully ousting the operating partner, Steve Belkin. Several years ago, he networked feverishly to force an inept Nets ownership to sell a franchise that was a constant source of embarrassment to him from just across the river.

Wedging his way between James Dolan and his father, Charles, is another story. Those who have operated inside the Cablevision empire speak of a strange relationship fraught with family complexities, of the wildly unpredictable and contrarian son being granted the independence to do as he pleases with the part of the company the father has little interest in.

Even, apparently, when he misses the basket by 10 feet on what should have been a layup and winds up making everyone on the court with him look like a loser. Dolan, who for years has been sending checks to former players and coaches all over the country, is still a good bet to wind up writing a hefty one to Anucha Browne Sanders.

And what will have been the purpose of the circus that came three months early to the Garden this year, starring Thomas on the high wire and Dolan as the clown?
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1/31/2006  11:23 AM
wow, thanks. Time for me to do a little research to see how this team has been run since 1997. GM's, draft picks, Mills, salary cap, the works.
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1/31/2006  11:32 AM
this article is a good one but I would have 1 question for the author... I was under the impression that Stern somehow hinted to the Knicks that they needed to do something near the end of Layden. Did Stern have Isiah on that short list of possible replacements?
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1/31/2006  11:39 AM
Years of organizational failure. Dolan is bullied by his minions who are running it for their favor! Checketts had too much power. Too bad Dolan can't handle it.

The Rangers cheerleading suite sounds out of hand also.

Good article.

Pay Shandon 20 mil cuz Isiah felt offended by him, but not give Anucha some money to go away quietly? Stupid, just stupid.

Larry got a 40 mil deal and must be laughing his ass off!

Dolan need not sell the team, just step aside and let someone professional run it.

Stu Jax?
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1/31/2006  11:41 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Dolan need not sell the team, just step aside and let someone professional run it.

sounds like i'm the man for the job.

nalod - would you like to be the team's official publicist?

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1/31/2006  11:41 AM
Check out the attendance records. Pretty damn consistent even when we keep losing:
2003-04 785,739 19,164
2002-03 779,389 19,009
2001-02 810,283 19,763
2000-01 810,283 19,763
1999-00 810,283 19,763
1998-99 494,075 19,763
1997-98 810,283 19,763

1996-97 810,283 19,763
1995-96 810,283 19,763
1994-95 810,283 19,763
1993-94 810,283 19,763
1992-93 804,840 19,630
1991-92 731,371 17,838
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1/31/2006  11:41 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Check out the attendance records. Pretty damn consistent even when we keep losing:
2003-04 785,739 19,164
2002-03 779,389 19,009
2001-02 810,283 19,763
2000-01 810,283 19,763
1999-00 810,283 19,763
1998-99 494,075 19,763
1997-98 810,283 19,763

1996-97 810,283 19,763
1995-96 810,283 19,763
1994-95 810,283 19,763
1993-94 810,283 19,763
1992-93 804,840 19,630
1991-92 731,371 17,838

and it will be higher this year b/c of the hype.

hey, we perpetuate it and i'm guilty as charged b/c i have season tickets.
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1/31/2006  11:44 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

hey, we perpetuate it and i'm guilty as charged b/c i have season tickets.
No one can blame you for having season tickets. Boycotting the team wont change anything. I have a feeling Dolan will keep getting bums and forcing trades even if the attendance falls.
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1/31/2006  11:45 AM
It couldn't have been THAT high, considering that he was fresh off making the CBA go out of business, or whatever went on there.

I think this whole organization needs to be blown up. Dolan needs to sell the Knicks. Isiah needs to go. If the turbulence continues, YOU KNOW Brown sure isn't staying. We need an owner and a president who knows how to assemble a basketball team, b/c the Knicks sure as in hell don't have one right now.
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1/31/2006  11:45 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Silverfuel:

Check out the attendance records. Pretty damn consistent even when we keep losing:
2003-04 785,739 19,164
2002-03 779,389 19,009
2001-02 810,283 19,763
2000-01 810,283 19,763
1999-00 810,283 19,763
1998-99 494,075 19,763
1997-98 810,283 19,763

1996-97 810,283 19,763
1995-96 810,283 19,763
1994-95 810,283 19,763
1993-94 810,283 19,763
1992-93 804,840 19,630
1991-92 731,371 17,838

and it will be higher this year b/c of the hype.

hey, we perpetuate it and i'm guilty as charged b/c i have season tickets.

DJ is ruining the franchise.
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1/31/2006  11:48 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Silverfuel:

Check out the attendance records. Pretty damn consistent even when we keep losing:
2003-04 785,739 19,164
2002-03 779,389 19,009
2001-02 810,283 19,763
2000-01 810,283 19,763
1999-00 810,283 19,763
1998-99 494,075 19,763
1997-98 810,283 19,763

1996-97 810,283 19,763
1995-96 810,283 19,763
1994-95 810,283 19,763
1993-94 810,283 19,763
1992-93 804,840 19,630
1991-92 731,371 17,838

and it will be higher this year b/c of the hype.

hey, we perpetuate it and i'm guilty as charged b/c i have season tickets.

DJ is ruining the franchise.

dj doesn't care about blue and orange people...
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1/31/2006  11:51 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Nalod:

Dolan need not sell the team, just step aside and let someone professional run it.

sounds like i'm the man for the job.

nalod - would you like to be the team's official publicist?

Only if I am harrased!

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1/31/2006  7:22 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Check out the attendance records. Pretty damn consistent even when we keep losing:
2003-04 785,739 19,164
2002-03 779,389 19,009
2001-02 810,283 19,763
2000-01 810,283 19,763
1999-00 810,283 19,763
1998-99 494,075 19,763
1997-98 810,283 19,763

1996-97 810,283 19,763
1995-96 810,283 19,763
1994-95 810,283 19,763
1993-94 810,283 19,763
1992-93 804,840 19,630
1991-92 731,371 17,838

Except there is a much higher profit margin for playoff games, and there won't be any.

[Edited by - Rich on 01-31-2006 10:58 PM]
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1/31/2006  10:53 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Nalod:

Dolan need not sell the team, just step aside and let someone professional run it.

sounds like i'm the man for the job.

nalod - would you like to be the team's official publicist?

Only if I am harrased!

Nalod - your new name is Ahcuna
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1/31/2006  10:55 PM
I'll be so happy when Dolan is fired by the board of directors. Can they do that? or does he have to step down/sell the team?

That's why I'm in no rush to fire Isiah. nothing will get better until Dolan leaves. that guy submarined the Wiz. How do you submarine an electronics store when all people do is buy HDtvs, dvds, cameras?
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1/31/2006  10:57 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I'll be so happy when Dolan is fired by the board of directors. Can they do that? or does he have to step down/sell the team?

That's why I'm in no rush to fire Isiah. nothing will get better until Dolan leaves. that guy submarined the Wiz. How do you submarine an electronics store when all people do is buy HDtvs, dvds, cameras?
Oh man, I hated that store.

https:// It's not so hard.
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1/31/2006  11:00 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Nalod:

Dolan need not sell the team, just step aside and let someone professional run it.

sounds like i'm the man for the job.

nalod - would you like to be the team's official publicist?

Only if I am harrased!

Nalod - your new name is Ahcuna

Ahcuna-Matada, Ahcuna-Matada!

I can totally dig it, I wonder If mart-in will let me! Great idea!

Poster will think I am from Senegal!

Vram! you the man!

Dolan took over the team in 1997

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