God I'm crying my eyes out watching this second half against Atlanta. Can't believe how we just folded like a house of cards. I've never seen a professional team just give up like the Knicks do sometimes. So embarassing...If anything else, the Knicks need to find out exactly what they have in Qyntel Woods, David Lee and Jackie Butler. For those 3 guys, I wanna see Larry play them big minutes and call plays for them. If they decide to do nothing else the rest of the way see exactly what these 3 guys can do on both sides of the ball...

Anyway, I think the Knicks definitely let one get away by showing no interest in Artest. No question in my mind. Like I said before, we take on guys like Sprewell, Vin Baker, Curry, and most recently Qyntel Woods - all guys with bigtime baggage (****, I'll support any player the Knicks decide to take a chance on if it improves the club, that's how badly I want to win) - but then decide it's time to draw a line in the sand with Artest, a home grown boy and the best player out of any of these guys? Is that what you're telling me Isiah? Man, rediculous...I'm suprised Marbury never really stepped up and said anything about getting Artest. Knicks really blew this one by showing no interest.

Ok, so the Artest thing's done with....So now what? You guys hear anything? What do you all think about the Jalen Rose thing? How does Babcock's dismissal affect this trade? How 'bout this - would you do this:
-Penny, Ariza, Butler for Jalen Rose and Toronto's 2nd #1 OR (if they balk at that) Penny, Ariza and Lee for Rose and the 2nd #1-
Penny alone won't be enough. Ariza and Butler should sweeten it up just enough to get it done, hopefully. Otherwise, I'd offer Lee. Man, I'd hate to do it, but I want their mid first-round pick BAD. A lot of people think the upcoming draft is gonna be weak but I disagree. That first round is gonna yield good players 1-30 and there will be steals in the second round too. We need to move up in the draft and I'd like to do it while also holding onto our own pick at 28 and 29. We can then do a lot with those 2 picks. How much better would this team be with Hilton Armstrong protecting the basket (his stock continues to rise every game) and a Brandon Roy or Hassan Adams with the lower pick? We need interior defense and a 2-guard. I was leaning more toward getting a SF a couple of weeks ago, but now with the emergence of Qyntel Woods I think we need a 2-guard more, especially with Q-Rich's poor play the entire season and the Marbury/Nate Rob. combo. Larry likes to go with at the beginning of the game which I hate - not like he's got much of a choice though - Q-Rich has been awful. I like Brandon Roy's ability to get to the line and make his FTs more than anything else (84-107 through 20 games for Washington - 78.5%). Plus he's got size at 6'5"-6'6", plays defense, has worked on his outside J - he's up to over 40% from 3 - and he's played with Nate Rob. before which will serve well chemistry-wise. If he's gone, I'd take Hassan Adams. He's a little smaller than Roy but he's tough and can score. Or maybe I go with James White from Cincy with the lower pick. Armstrong is definitely the guy I got my eye on though.
Plus, getting Jalen Rose in the deal (who only has the rest of this year and next year left on his deal, albeit at big money - but his deal is short-term though, which makes it doable) would help us win immediately, helping us salvage enough of the season to avoid turning that pick we owe Chicago into a top-3 or so pick. Maybe I expand the deal to take back Eric Williams as well - another short-term contract who wants out of Toronto in the worst way.
So who would you guys like to see the Knicks go after by the trading deadline or in the upcoming draft?



[Edited by - finestrg on 01-30-2006 10:04 PM]

next move is to lose to the Lakers. by a lot of points.

edit: but I'm glad we didn't get Artest. I'd go hard after Al Harrington or Darius Miles. the team needs a consistent, quality starting SF. Heck, see if Rashard Lewis is available.



[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-30-2006 9:31 PM]

JR Smith, not Josh Smith.

This is just sad. I really don't know who to blame. I feel like Dolan might be forcing Isiah's hand by not letting him do a full blown rebuild, but that's what we need. We can't take on any more long term contracts, we can't give away draft picks. If you look at our teams payroll compared to other team's it's almost laughable. We are the most fiscally irresponsible team in the NBA. We can't afford to give guys 5 year deals that haven't proven anything. Unfortunately we have way too many unproven question marks on our team.

Right now Isiah has really put himself in a tough spot. We have long term deals with Curry, JC, Q-Rich, Marbury etc. That's over $40 mill. per year right there. Something needs to change, and fast.

Unfortunately, Dolan is a moron. I don't think he's capable of making a smart hire. People keep laughing about the guys Larry wants to acquire (old vets) when mentioning him as a GM, but I guarantee you these guys don't let themselves get embarassed on the court like we did tonight.

Posted by BRIGGS:

1. fire a selected part of management

2. take their time and hire a president and GM that have a clear and cogent plan on how to redirect this entire franchise. I don't think it necessarily has to be an experienced guy. If we take Avery Johnson for example--avery had 0 coaching expereince and imho, is coach of the year. He's very good, he's of high character and he has done a msterful job. Take our time and find the right guys for the job--no rush job here.

3 identify a style of play and work with Larry Brown to change the defensive toughness and culture of what has become a joke. This is not a repairable squad. Time wont fix these defensive problems with this roster--its a failure and needs balanced change. People are not understanding personal stats with play as a unit. This is not a unit. This is pieces thrown together inchorently.


Props out to david Lee-onlu tough guy on the court tonight and jackie Butler for giving a good effort. Everyone else stunk up the joint so bad that it smells back here.

i think we're going to see a full blown rebuild pretty soon. i think steph and q1 are dead men walking. trev is in lb's doghouse and is probably on his way out also. in effect, lb, by rotating this roster all over the place and putting duds like rose and q1 in the starting lineup is just making the case of the full blown rebuild...and i think that's lb's plan AT THE BEHEST of wins now. and i think we'll see it unfold over the next 3 weeks. and i think we all know isiah is on his way out as well.

How do you go into full-blown rebuild mode when we have no picks or money to sign anyone? I really don't think Knicks need Rose, (how much would he really help this pathetic team,)but if we can get the pick, I guess you have to do it. Plus, I would hate for Rose to take minutes away from Woods at this point.

the only option left, is to trade Frye or Marbury. There the only two with any value. Frye is going bacwards at this point and Marbury has an extremely hard salary to move. I'm a fan of Marbury's but, its becomming clear that this team isn't winning anytime soon, so mind as well move him for som e picks if possible.

Posted by knicks1248:

NEXT MOVE!! Uh... This is far worse then Layden, atleast he was guilty of having no Talant and a high payroll. This team has a top 5 pg/playmaker, top 3 center, top 3 coach, and a solid roster thereafter.

That I find most astonishing. Layden's team was crap, and it was accepted. There are 2 great players on this team, with one of the best coaches (by name) and a decent bench. Why is it this bad?

Come on.. your saying this roster is worse then layden, the only difference, really is the age.

Worn out players against young inexperince jerks. Niether will play d.

How many winning seasons has Stephon Loserbury been apart of in his career?