If Larry Brown acknowledges what most of us KNOW to be the gradual process of building a consistent NBA winner, why are so many impatient people eager to throw the young players under a Mack Truck in disparaging comments about the early results?

The press adores controversy. It makes much better headline fodder and sells many more papers

The press also loves to paint the story of a tragedy, an implosion, a car wreck, a scandal - which the Knicks, despite the accusations of a scorned former employee, are not. They are a work in progress.

The work started in December of 2003 and has lasted a skootch over two years.

The work started in a city that demands results and value for the expensive seating. In a city fueled by the press instead of analytical thinking and objective reasoning. You want to fire Isiah? Fine. Name his replacement and get ready for four more years of another agenda, turnover and the treadmill.

While you're at it, Fire Bill Cowher when the Steelers sucked a few years ago

Is progress simply measured in the W-L column or in the WAY the team practices and plays night in and night out. What are the Knicks fatal flaws and how are they corrected?

Are they learning each other?

What are the assists to turnovers numbers? Do they rebound well or not?

Is there dissension or signs of harmony?

What positions are showing improvement are which positions are weak?

If the key indicators are slipping or show signs of abuse, you may NOW fire the team president.

Be my guest.

Because alot of the knick fans arent real fans, people dont seem to understand that building a contender doesnt happen overnight, Dolan hs said yesterday he is 100% being isiah and this rebuilding process. Now this issue is how quickly our younger players develop.

Progress should not be measured in wins and losses because Players especially the young ones dont become superstars tonight. The only problems i see witht htis team is inconsistency and defense. When this team plays well, we're good, when they play defense their offense is provided by that. Last night was great defensively from the 1st 3 quarters.

Im liking what ive seen, sure the losses are hard to stomatch but all this is just a growing process where hopefully all our young guns become exceptional players in the future

Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

Because alot of the knick fans arent real fans, people dont seem to understand that building a contender doesnt happen overnight, Dolan hs said yesterday he is 100% being isiah and this rebuilding process. Now this issue is how quickly our younger players develop.

Progress should not be measured in wins and losses because Players especially the young ones dont become superstars tonight. The only problems i see witht htis team is inconsistency and defense. When this team plays well, we're good, when they play defense their offense is provided by that. Last night was great defensively from the 1st 3 quarters.

Im liking what ive seen, sure the losses are hard to stomatch but all this is just a growing process where hopefully all our young guns become exceptional players in the future

No one disputes the long process of building a good team out of the younguns, but we all are real fans who are entitled to their own opinions and emotions when it comes to the teams' success or lack thereof, everyone wants this team to wins, some just take it more emotionally because alot of us have been fans for a very long time.

how did Isiah screw the Raptors or the Pacers? is it his fault they let Camby, Tmac and Carter go? if that team had Camby, Tmac and Carter they would be winning 50-60 games a year.

He was the only one who could sortof control Artest, Carlyse couldn't as soon as Isiah left Artest had a season where he picked up the most flagrant fouls of all time, including a killer in the Eastern conf. finals and the next season Artest got the longest suspension of all time for non-drug related problems. Isiah took the youngest team ever to the playoffs with the Pacers.

Some people are ridiculously hard on Isiah. I don't know the CBA story as well, so I can't comment to that. It's not Isiah's fault the Knicks have sucked for 5 years. it's his fault they've sucked for two, but in the two years he's been here he's brought in possibly the best coach in the game, two huge young big who are already producing and some talented guards.

I'm not saying Knicks fans aren't real fans, I think we have some of the best fans in the league which is why I love coming to this board. But I think some people need to be a little more patient and realistic about the hole Isiah has tried to dig us out of. he came here and we had zero pieces of a winning team, except for maybe Kurt Thomas. Houston was breaking down. KVH was breaking down. Dikembe Mutombo and Howard Eisley were starting for us. He has done a good job. yes, it's cost money and yes we have not seen results in the win column, but I think Isiah has demonstrated a plan that is at least worth patiently watching for the rest of this season and next season. if it isn't working this time next year, yes, you think about blowing it up and starting over.

Isiah's personality has made him a lot of enemies. Seeing how he works, I can see how he would turn people off, but I really don't get it.

Boby - how is the year wasted if oung talent like Channing Frye and Eddy Curry learn to play in unison?

Some of you guys need to get a grip on the reallity of building a contender. Until someone points up an example of a GM doing it in two years with a capped-out franchise, I don't understand the venom towards a man who has worked hard to be an agent of change.

I could care less about his perceived personality.

Has he acquired better basketball players?

If the answer is yes, and he continues to work, what is the problem?

No doubt

I like Qyntel more than Tim Thomas because he displays the same toughness in high schoool (playing with a torn ACL) that Brett Favre demonstrated at Southern Miss when he played after a serious auto accident to defeat Alabama

I like Marbury more than Howard Eisley because he IS the prodigal son

I like Frye more than Clarence Weathersoon because he's from White Plains and his Grandaddy was a Tuskeegee Airman. The mistreatment they had to endure during WW2 was no joke. Character is passed through a generation.

I like David Lee more than Shandon Anderson because David Lee plays with more soul and reminds me of Dave Stallworth. Besides, the Knicks missed Kiki Vandeweghe by one pick and Paul Westphal was way over the hill by the time he got here.

I like Jackie Butler more than Maciej Lampe because I like a good story about a young player who gets bad advice and who gets a second chance, besides Jackie is taller.

I like Nate more than Milos Vujanic, who never showed up

I like Mo Taylor more than Freddie Weis, who never showed up

I like Mailk Rose more more than Eric Chenowith and Michael Wright

I like Antonio Davis more than Kurt Thomas because he stands up for his wife rather than abuse her, as Thomas did.

I like Isiah more than Scott Layden, Frank Layden, Al Bianchi and Dave Checketts but not more than Eddie Donovan or Ernie Grunfeld, who I had the pleasure of meeting

As a matter of fact, I like you fishmike, more than Simrud







[Edited by - MisterEarl on 01-28-2006 5:59 PM]

If Isiah is here next season or not. This is going to be a good team next season. As long as Marbury stay healthy. Larry Brown has Marbury playing the best basketball of his career which still has many many yrs lef in it. Curry is constantly improveing. Frye, Lee, Robinson will be better conditioned for an 82 game season and have a better feel for what is expected and have a better feel for the NBA game.

This team has improved a lot since the beginning of the season and continues to improve a lot through out the season. I still think we finish the season off strong this yr as well barring no injury set backs. Most importantly based off Browns track record we can have faith.

If Marbury doesn't get injured we probably beat Chi, and Hornets, We might have taken the Minny game as well if Marbury didn't have to leave the game. And we were jobbed the Kings game. We COULD be 11-2 or 10-3 so far this month if Marbury doesn't get injured.