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Killa4luv
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1/27/2006  10:26 AM
On the heels of the Rob Babcock firing and continuing criticism being aimed at the enigmatic Isiah Thomas, this edition of Standing 10 will determine the ten best general managers in the NBA today.

10) Danny Ainge

Ainge has a love/hate relationship with the Celtics’ fan base. One day he’ll trade Antoine Walker for the long-term contract of Raef Lafrentz and the next he’ll draft Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and a slew of other draft picks with seemingly limitless potential.

When the Celtics win or the rookies perform well, he’s considered a genius, but when the rookies don’t get minutes or he trades for Wally Szczerbiak’s long-term inflated contract, he’s considered a burden.

Currently, the Celtics team is a strange entity consisting of veteran superstar Paul Pierce, the recently acquired Wally Szczerbiak and a young core featuring Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Kendrick Perkins, Tony Allen and Delonte West.

Two seasons from now, it will be seen if Ainge can either make a serious mark on this Celtics squad or if he’ll be standing in the unemployment line.

9) John Paxson

Paxson has transformed the Chicago Bulls into a nice looking young team in the post-Jordan, post-Krause era. Some of his brilliant moves include trading an unprotected first rounder from the upcoming season to the Suns for Luol Deng and then making the playoffs, drafting Kirk Hinrich with the 7th pick in the 2003 NBA Draft and trading the underachieving Eddy Curry for Mike Sweetney and the right to swap draft picks with the struggling New York Knicks .

Along with the continually improving play of Ben Gordon and Tyson Chandler, this Bulls team has all of the pieces of a potentially great team down the line. All they need is a true superstar and if Paxson can land one without giving up too much youth, he can surely be considered among the league’s best GMs.

8) Kiki Vandeweghe

Although the Nuggets’ franchise player practically fell into his lap, Vandeweghe has done a nice job of building his team. First he traded an unhealthy Antonio McDyess for Nene and Marcus Camby, which ended up being a very nice move, especially with Camby’s dangerous defensive game. He also orchestrated a sign and trade deal for Kenyon Martin and that will really be the move that defines the rest of his career with the Nuggets. Martin has done a pretty good job so far, but has he really merited a maximum contract? Time will tell if the nucleus Vandeweghe built will pan out.

7) Jerry Colangelo

After stealing Amare Stoudemire in the draft and realizing that he and Stephon Marbury weren’t performing to the best of their capabilities, Colangelo flipped Marbury to the Knicks for expiring contracts, young talent and future draft picks. With the cap space, Colangelo signed future league MVP Steve Nash to a long term deal. The Nash, Stoudemire, Marion trio is one of the league’s deadliest, especially on the offensive end.

Colangelo also made the most of Joe Johnson’s departure by scoring the versatile Boris Diaw and some first round selections. Even with Stoudemire injured, the Suns are still on top of the league in offensive output.

6) Don Nelson/Donnie Nelson

Nelson has always tried to do the right thing for the Mavericks, including stepping down to let Avery Johnson take over the team (he will be the Western Conference All-Star coach.) Nelson also drafted Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels with very late picks in the same draft and landed Devin Harris, who will one day run the show when Jason Terry’s time comes. Nelson needed defence, so he traded for or drafted defence and the team has excelled as a result.

Dallas currently has the best record in the West and it is the result of good team building.

His son Donnie is now carrying on the Nelson tradition.

5) Geoff Petrie

Petrie is not afraid to take risks and he has proven that with his Chris Webber and Peja Stojakovic trades. Petrie unloaded Webber’s hefty contract after the aging star was unable to lead the team to the promised land and received the tenacious Kenny Thomas, who has done a good job with the team. Petrie traded for Bonzi Wells, who has added some energy off the bench and signed Shareef Abdur-Rahim for a bargain basement price.

Trading for Ron Artest will only improve the team as Mike Bibby enters his prime and as Peja Stojakovic seemed to be getting worse and was not showing up. The improving play of Kevin Martin and Fransisco Garcia shows that Petrie knows how to draft late-first round contributors and his deal to land Brad Miller last offseason was a stroke of genius as the big man has provided the toughness that the team lacked.

4) Pat Riley

Riley drafted Dwyane Wade with the 5th pick in the 2003 draft and he has emerged as arguably the best or second best player to come out of the draft. But more importantly, Riley was able to trade Shaquille O’Neal without giving up Wade and got the Big Aristotle to accept a pay cut.

This past offseason Riley was able to land players like Jason Williams, Antoine Walker and James Posey while giving up next to nothing to acquire them. He also signed the hard working Udonis Haslem (whom he brought into the league) to a long term contract.

3) Rod Thorn

Thorn may have cost Rob Babcock his job after fleecing him on the Vince Carter trade last season. Landing Carter for practically nothing was certainly a large step towards bringing the Nets back to where they were in previous seasons. Thorn also decided not to re-sign Kenyon Martin to his desired maximum contract and traded him to the Nuggets for three first round selections.

He was also able to unload Kerry Kittles for a first round pick and did a great job with drafting Nenad Krstic and bringing him in from Europe.

2) Joe Dumars

Two finals appearances and one championship in the last two seasons after drafting Darko Milicic with the 2nd overall pick in one of the deepest drafts ever makes Dumars an enigma in terms of general managers. Dumars drafted Tayshaun Prince as a late selection in the 2002 draft, acquired Rasheed Wallace cheap and signed Ben Wallace to an extremely affordable contract.

Dumars also signed Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess and traded an aging Jerry Stackhouse for sparkplug Richard “Rip” Hamilton.

With those moves, Dumars has built a winning team for many years to come.

1) R.C. Buford

Many casual NBA fans will not even recognize this name, but the San Antonio Spurs GM has done an incredible job. The most impressive thing is Buford’s ability to pinpoint foreign talent and bring them into the league. This includes Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili who have become NBA stars and Beno Udrih, who is an up and coming young player with great potential.

Buford has also been able to add key players like Brent Barry, Michael Finley, Nick Van Exel, Robert Horry and Nazr Mohammed. All of those players have the ability to do the little things in a big way in order to make the Spurs a team that are considered a top two or three team in the NBA.

Dumars and Buford are without question the best. But guys like Ainge, Kiki, and Riley are questionable imo.
Riley:
Shaq forced a trade to miami so its not like Riley worked some magic on that one. The Heat are a rag-tag collection of veteran talent plus Shaq and Wade. I give him credit for Wade who is definitely a superstar, but just about everything else hes done has been questionable. The heat look horrible, and they definitely are not contenders. No way they beat detroit, and may have problems with Indy, depending on how Peja fits in.

Ainge:
Signed carrot top to ridiculous money. Traded a budding all-star 2, for a all-star calibur 3 who is a defensive liability who plays the same position as their best player. I cannot give him credit for Gerald Greene who is basically Trevor Ariza at a younger age right now.

Kiki:
Maxed out K-mart and should not have which is a big mistake in a small market. He also signed Earl Watson when they already had 2 point guards, and created a glut on his roster when he obviously could have used a big man because K-Mart and NeNe aren't the most durable bigs around. He drafted Carmello and took the Layden trade, those were his 2 best moves, and I give Layden more credit for being stupid, than I do for him being smart. Mello was also a no brainer that Dumars bumped his head on. I dont think KiKi is spectacular.
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1/27/2006  10:36 AM
my vote

#1 Joe Dumars
#2 Bryan Colangelo
#3 R C Buford
#4 Geoff Petrie
#5 Jerry West
#6 Donnie Walsh
#7 Donnie Nelson
#8 Ernie Grunfeld
#9 Pat Riley
#10 John Paxson
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1/27/2006  10:38 AM
oops forgot Rod Thorn--put him 6th and knock paxson to 10B

kiki has also done a good job
he has acquired camby nene martin miller anthont

if they were all healthy--they might win the whole thimng
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1/27/2006  10:41 AM
BRIGGS, why do you put Riley so high? I know the Shaq trade, but that was more Shaq than Riles. Wade is good drafting, and so is Butler, but is that more being in the right place at the right time?

How about the JWill and 'Toine deals? Maybe the other players make up for it.
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1/27/2006  11:23 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

oops forgot Rod Thorn--put him 6th and knock paxson to 10B

kiki has also done a good job
he has acquired camby nene martin miller anthont

if they were all healthy--they might win the whole thimng


Has paxon done a good job? Sure, give him credit for turning curry into 2 potential lotto picks- but he did re-sign Chandler for pretty big money and that deal is not looking so good.
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1/27/2006  11:31 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BRIGGS:

oops forgot Rod Thorn--put him 6th and knock paxson to 10B

kiki has also done a good job
he has acquired camby nene martin miller anthont

if they were all healthy--they might win the whole thimng


Has paxon done a good job? Sure, give him credit for turning curry into 2 potential lotto picks- but he did re-sign Chandler for pretty big money and that deal is not looking so good.

always have to look at the whole picture of moves, not just one. EVERY GM has at least 1 or 2 moves in the scope of 2-3 years they would rather not have done. I think almost every GM would have tried to resign Chandler after the year he had. Now, should Paxon have waited another year? Or had an opt-out built into his contract for the team? That's how smart we'll see he is.
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1/27/2006  11:34 AM

#1 Buford
#2 Joe Dumars
#3 Bryan Colangelo
#4 Thorn
#5 Jerry West
#6 Donnie Walsh
#7 Petrie
#8 Ernie Grunfeld
#9 Pat Riley
#10 Kiki

Grizz this year really has been a nice surprise when most though he was stripping the team.
Kiki overpaid but had to inorder to get K-Mart. Drafting Melo was a no brainer. Good moves getting them back from the dead though. Camby trade was good!
Riles is over rated. Getting Zoe from Hornets was a money thing. Remember he signed Juwan Howard to a $126 million deal only have Stern shoot it down? Stern did him a huge favor! Shaq deal was pretty good, but again, money talks.

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1/27/2006  11:35 AM
Donnie Walsh should be on there, and Riley quite possibly one of the worst executives in the league.....

Mash and PJ for Eddie and Anthoy Mason
Ricky Davis for Chris Gatling
Giving up constant first round picks
Trying to give Howard 100 million
Signign Brain Grant
Signing Walker and Williams

Come on he is up there with isiah for bonehead of the year
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1/27/2006  1:50 PM
actually, with our roster, the best gm/coach combo would be don nelson.
but we have lb already so that will never happen.

not saying that i want nelson but he would fit in with the current roster.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-27-2006 1:51 PM]
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1/27/2006  2:30 PM
I don't have time to make a list, but Thorn should be right behind Dumars and Dumars should be #1. (We are talking about recent history right?)

I mean the man took Lemons and he made lemonade more than once. He landed 2 of the top players in the game, magically. He has drafted very well: Jefferson/Krstic, and let Kenyon Martin go when the time was right. The Nets are one power player away from contending in my opinion.

Okay screw it:

Dumars
Thorn
Colangelo
West
Nelson
everybody else...

oohah
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1/27/2006  3:12 PM
Posted by oohah:

I don't have time to make a list, but Thorn should be right behind Dumars and Dumars should be #1. (We are talking about recent history right?)

I mean the man took Lemons and he made lemonade more than once. He landed 2 of the top players in the game, magically. He has drafted very well: Jefferson/Krstic, and let Kenyon Martin go when the time was right. The Nets are one power player away from contending in my opinion.

Okay screw it:

Dumars
Thorn
Colangelo
West
Nelson
everybody else...

oohah


And Buford on San Antonio?
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1/27/2006  3:50 PM
It's just amazing when I look at the commentary of the selections and we come to the determination that a guy like Ainge needs a few more years to see how his draft picks pan out....This is Ainge's third year and he needs two more before we can make judgement..His team with a losing but slightly better record than the Knicks...John Paxon and the job he has done in Chicago with zero salary cap and his roster doesn't have one player you can build around..Going on his third year as well...I like this one, Tyson Chandler is improving who averages 4.8 pts, 7.4 reb per game...I don't think he even starts anymore...."But in a few years down the road", he will be one of the best gm's in the league....So Paxon,needs a few more years for us to know what kind of gm he's going to be....But considered one of the best...His team will likely not make the playoffs this year...Slightly better record than the Knicks as well....Brings me to my point, Isiah who has had the best draft this past year, Who had nothing when he got here and now maybe has 3 pieces you can work with currently. How is it that we can't give this guy a chance to see what he can do after two years on the job in a salary strapped environment. Those other who you guys that are called the "Best GM", who have been on the job longer with money, under the cap, they need more time...How does that work? Their teams are no better than the Knicks and they have money to play with...They don't have any pieces you can build around and yet not only should they be given more time,but they are considered the Best GM's in th league...ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!
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1/27/2006  3:57 PM
Dumars is the best, but GMing is mainly on players too - performing up to expectations, and coaching, and meshing.
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1/27/2006  3:59 PM
After reading the article on ESPN, I clearly think Donnie Walsh is one of the better GM's in the league. He handled the Ron Artest situation well and seems like a bright, business guy.
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1/27/2006  4:01 PM
And Buford on San Antonio?

Did he draft Duncan? That's where teh Spurs' success begins and ends. Did he draft Ginobli and Parker? I don't know. But no question San Antonio is an extremely well managed team.

oohah

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1/27/2006  4:04 PM
Posted by oohah:
And Buford on San Antonio?

Did he draft Duncan? That's where teh Spurs' success begins and ends. Did he draft Ginobli and Parker? I don't know. But no question San Antonio is an extremely well managed team.

oohah
Parker and obi one ginobli were masterstrokes. who would ever imagine that Nazr would be the final piece to a championship team!

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1/27/2006  4:07 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by oohah:
And Buford on San Antonio?

Did he draft Duncan? That's where teh Spurs' success begins and ends. Did he draft Ginobli and Parker? I don't know. But no question San Antonio is an extremely well managed team.

oohah
Parker and obi one ginobli were masterstrokes. who would ever imagine that Nazr would be the final piece to a championship team!

seriously, parker was being targeted by layden... instead we took Frankie "baby" Williams
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1/27/2006  10:47 PM
>John Paxon and the job he has done in Chicago with zero salary cap and his roster doesn't have one player you can build around..Going on his third year as well...I like this one, Tyson Chandler is improving who averages 4.8 pts, 7.4 reb per game...I don't think he even starts anymore...."But in a few years down the road", he will be one of the best gm's in the league....So Paxon,needs a few more years for us to know what kind of gm he's going to be....But considered one of the best...His team will likely not make the playoffs this year...Slightly better record than the Knicks as well....Brings me to my point, Isiah who has had the best draft this past year, Who had nothing when he got here and now maybe has 3 pieces you can work with currently. How is it that we can't give this guy a chance to see what he can do after two years on the job in a salary strapped environment. Those other who you guys that are called the "Best GM", who have been on the job longer with money, under the cap, they need more time...How does that work?

holfresh - my apology for misreadfing one of your earlier posts.

C'mon, why should Isiah get more than two years to transform a capped-out franchise?

Haven't you heard, despite researching and landing Channing Frye, David Lee, Eddy Curry, Qyntel Woods and Stephon freakin' Marbury...

... he sucks?

Oh, Larry Brown?

He sucks as well.

It is the arrogant, know-it-all, biased fans who have never managed a thing as complex as a franchise in their lives, who suck. It is the bloodthirsty press, monkey-see/ monkey-doo, eager to see someone of stature take a fall that makes GREAT copy, who sucks

Paxson hasn't won a thing

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1/27/2006  10:48 PM
Say What?

>All they need is a true superstar and if Paxson can land one without giving up too much youth, he can surely be considered among the league’s best GMs.

All ANYONE needs is a true superstar.

Yeah right

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