- isiah's sexual discrimination allegations
- AD going into the stands and still in chicago (although this is probably not that major)
- steph's name coming up in the lawsuit
- not to mention that we're in the middle of a 5 game losing streak

this has been going on for a little bit so i'm assuming that some of the players and lb were aware of it. isiah hasn't been around so i'm guessing this is why. we have a bunch of young kids on the team. they've been through some adverse situations but this is something completely different. isiah is steph's mentor. crawford loves isiah. how are they going to react? how will we respond? will this spiral out of control or will it galvanize them?

this is an absolute mess. we thought it was bad after dice went down in preseason, but we're approaching a new low...

until you know any of the details of this case, I think you're completely overreacting. most of the incidents outlined in the nytimes article happened in 2004, which pre-dates Brown and the rookies.

there is no way that this is as bad as Dyess going down. we still have the players. and, I know everyone likes to forget this, but in games Marbury has finished we are 6-1 this year. He was pretty much single-handedly leading the comeback against Minnesota before he went down. I love how people are acting like Marbury being out has nothing to do with losses.

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Posted by crzymdups:

until you know any of the details of this case, I think you're completely overreacting. most of the incidents outlined in the nytimes article happened in 2004, which pre-dates Brown and the rookies.

there is no way that this is as bad as Dyess going down. we still have the players. and, I know everyone likes to forget this, but in games Marbury has finished we are 6-1 this year. He was pretty much single-handedly leading the comeback against Minnesota before he went down. I love how people are acting like Marbury being out has nothing to do with losses.

i'm not saying when it happened. i'm talking about the recent firings and isiah being asked to leave for 3 weeks. that's all recent stuff. and now it's public and they will get grilled on it (especially lb and steph, and of course isiah) from now till it's over.

Isiah being asked to leave for three weeks? Dude, they asked the woman to leave for three weeks. Zeke was never asked to leave. that's all from the nytimes article.

I said once and I'll say it again. This should not be a distraction for million dollar atheletes. When they are in practice and on the court, I don't think Isiahs case will be hanging over his their heads as they try to figure where they should be on a play.

DJ, you love the drama. Its a big deal, but not as big as i think many are making it. If Steph was being charged, I would be concerned.

Posted by Killa4luv:

I said once and I'll say it again. This should not be a distraction for million dollar atheletes. When they are in practice and on the court, I don't think Isiahs case will be hanging over his their heads as they try to figure where they should be on a play.

DJ, you love the drama. Its a big deal, but not as big as i think many are making it. If Steph was being charged, I would be concerned.

yes, and million dollar athletes shouldn't show up to camp 30 lbs overweight or million dollar athletes shouldn't take 3 months to figure out a system. but they're human.

she has accused steph of saying something pretty damaging. his name directly came up in the lawsuit and the article. he was grilled for 2 months non-stop on his relationship with lb. now he's going to get grilled on something completely different. that will effect him. until this goes away, they will have to deal with it every day.

it's a distraction to a team. why is the artest fiasco so damaging? so he doesn't want to play right? big deal. they're just trying to trade him, why should that effect million dolalr athletes...but the pacers are clearly being affected.

remember the beef between jvg and grunfeld? why would that affect the team's on court play? well it did and it only got better after one of them got fired. these things effect not only the players but the entire organization.

it's a distraction to a team. why is the artest fiasco so damaging? so he doesn't want to play right? big deal. they're just trying to trade him, why should that effect million dolalr athletes...but the pacers are clearly being affected.

I think it's affecting their team simply because they need the skills that he brings on the court. Also, JO has been injured a lot this year. I don't think players are psychologically affected by Artest to an extent that they can't play to their potential during games.

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Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Killa4luv:

I said once and I'll say it again. This should not be a distraction for million dollar atheletes. When they are in practice and on the court, I don't think Isiahs case will be hanging over his their heads as they try to figure where they should be on a play.

DJ, you love the drama. Its a big deal, but not as big as i think many are making it. If Steph was being charged, I would be concerned.

yes, and million dollar athletes shouldn't show up to camp 30 lbs overweight or million dollar athletes shouldn't take 3 months to figure out a system. but they're human.

she has accused steph of saying something pretty damaging. his name directly came up in the lawsuit and the article. he was grilled for 2 months non-stop on his relationship with lb. now he's going to get grilled on something completely different. that will effect him. until this goes away, they will have to deal with it every day.

it's a distraction to a team. why is the artest fiasco so damaging? so he doesn't want to play right? big deal. they're just trying to trade him, why should that effect million dolalr athletes...but the pacers are clearly being affected.

remember the beef between jvg and grunfeld? why would that affect the team's on court play? well it did and it only got better after one of them got fired. these things effect not only the players but the entire organization.

the only reason the jvg/grunfeld rift spilled over to the floor is that Van Gundy didn't use Camby.

The Artest thing has been going on in Indiana since January 04 when he pushed Riley, then was suspended for flagrant fouls, then commited a flagrant foul that ended the Pacers chance at the Finals, then got into a huge fight and was suspended for a year, then was suspended for trying to hawk his CD, then demanded a trade, then refused to be traded. this has been two years of madness from this guy. IF IF IF this thing drags on for the rest of the season, it will affect the team I'm sure. If it blows over, it won't.

Like I said, until we know more details and see how this plays out, it's ridiculous to make assumptions.

what assumption am i making? i asked how this would effect the team, whether it's a valid lawsuit or not. it will have an effect, to what degree? i have no idea.

Posted by djsunyc:

what assumption am i making? i asked how this would effect the team, whether it's a valid lawsuit or not. it will have an effect, to what degree? i have no idea.

Posted by djsunyc:

this is an absolute mess. we thought it was bad after dice went down in preseason, but we're approaching a new low...

this sounds like an assumption that things are spiraling out of control and I think it's too early for that.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-25-2006 2:09 PM]

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by djsunyc:

this is an absolute mess. we thought it was bad after dice went down in preseason, but we're approaching a new low...

this sounds like an assumption that things are spiraling out of control and I think it's too early for that.

were we ever 13 games under at this point of the season in the past 15 years...without a true franchise superstar on the roster?

Posted by djsunyc:

yes, and million dollar athletes shouldn't show up to camp 30 lbs overweight or million dollar athletes shouldn't take 3 months to figure out a system. but they're human.

3 months to figure out a system is one thing. Thinking about Isiah while they're playing is another. Are they gonna be up late night worrying about his case and play poorly because of it? No.

she has accused steph of saying something pretty damaging. his name directly came up in the lawsuit and the article. he was grilled for 2 months non-stop on his relationship with lb. now he's going to get grilled on something completely different. that will effect him. until this goes away, they will have to deal with it every day.

The questions weren't the problem, it was Brown's rotations and ridiculous remarks after and before every game. This is a totally different scenario. there were some issues between a coach and a player. Those 2 have to see each other almost as often as they see their families and then get questioned about it. This issue is between 2 executives, one whom no longer works there, and another whom is admired by all of the players and staff. Its not an issue in nearly the same way. She says he called her a 'black b*tch'. Unless she has it on tape, its really nothing to discuss. Hiring Steph's unqualified cousin is not illeagal, its called nepatism. These are not big issues.

it's a distraction to a team. why is the artest fiasco so damaging? so he doesn't want to play right? big deal. they're just trying to trade him, why should that effect million dolalr athletes...but the pacers are clearly being affected.

Artests is a basketball player of course his absence has an impact on the team. This stuff you are talking about is some purely psychological stuff that has ZERO to do with basketball.

remember the beef between jvg and grunfeld? why would that affect the team's on court play? well it did and it only got better after one of them got fired. these things effect not only the players but the entire organization.

Camby was rotting on the bench because JVG hated the trade that brought him there. Camby was a basketball player who could help the team if he played. The guy he was traded for was a major part of the team (heart and soul as many like to say). Of course it affects the team.