Philc1 wrote:The SpoonMan. Wow those were some dark days.

We loved undersized PFs who couldn’t jump.

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:The SpoonMan. Wow those were some dark days.

We loved undersized PFs who couldn’t jump.

Now that is some special forces commando type sh t. Rooting for the Knicks when Layden was busy signing Clearance f cking Weatherspoon and trading for Keith Van Horn. A 6’7 unathletic PF with no moves and a soft as charmin 6’8 small forward neither could guard a stop sign. Only to then watch Eddy f cking Curry couple years later after Isiah traded 3 first round picks for him a 7 foot 300+ lb Center who averaged 5 rebounds a game and couldn’t guard an empty Powerade bottle.

Another lazy ass parrot post. KVH was 6-10, in 47 games as a knick (Thats all) I recall he and Marbury had the knicks playing really well which went down hill when they bought in Tim "Fugazy" Thomas instead because Marbury did not like KVH. In 47 games, eh avg 17.6 pts and 7.8 rebs. Shot 38% from the 3! Peak, KVH avg 21 pts and 8.5 rebs. That peak year he was 19th in total rebounds. How is a player "Soft" a top 20 rebounder?
You parroting Marbury who proved to be pretty soft himself over the years just burning bridges at every stop.

IF you recall Knicks with Doleac and KVH were respectable. It went south when Marbury was given the keys and wanted Isiah to clean house.
Spoon? Got here at age 31, played two years. Started 61 games, avg 26 min a game. He was a role player.
His first year? JVG bolted after 19 games and was 10-9. Chaney finished 20-43.

The fall off was stunning as H20 was 30, Spree 31, Camby 27 and KT was 29. They aged really fast and the knicks.

Knicks with games KVH played before traded to Milwaukee was 22-25. Not great, but not the lazy depiction you drew up.

KVH was a SF BTW. His rebounding rate? In his 9 year career he played 575 games and avg'd 6.8 per.
I'll compare him to another SF who is known to be an elite rebounder for his height. Known as a tough as nails players also played 9 years (and going) played 596 games and Avg 7.0 rebs per game. We call that SF Josh Hart.

Go ahead, dismiss me in response to your laziness. Nobody is saying those were anything but **** times but how it happend mattered.
If you think Layden himself had the juice to do the Mcdyess trade and that huge contract himself your delusional.
For what its worth, yes the Layden era was bad. Isiah was an worse epic failure. The constant was Jim Dolan fumbling the Grunfeld situation, installing Layden a neophyte, and then the isiah thing.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:The SpoonMan. Wow those were some dark days.

We loved undersized PFs who couldn’t jump.

Now that is some special forces commando type sh t. Rooting for the Knicks when Layden was busy signing Clearance f cking Weatherspoon and trading for Keith Van Horn. A 6’7 unathletic PF with no moves and a soft as charmin 6’8 small forward neither could guard a stop sign. Only to then watch Eddy f cking Curry couple years later after Isiah traded 3 first round picks for him a 7 foot 300+ lb Center who averaged 5 rebounds a game and couldn’t guard an empty Powerade bottle.

Another lazy ass parrot post. KVH was 6-10, in 47 games as a knick (Thats all) I recall he and Marbury had the knicks playing really well which went down hill when they bought in Tim "Fugazy" Thomas instead because Marbury did not like KVH. In 47 games, eh avg 17.6 pts and 7.8 rebs. Shot 38% from the 3! Peak, KVH avg 21 pts and 8.5 rebs. That peak year he was 19th in total rebounds. How is a player "Soft" a top 20 rebounder?
You parroting Marbury who proved to be pretty soft himself over the years just burning bridges at every stop.

IF you recall Knicks with Doleac and KVH were respectable. It went south when Marbury was given the keys and wanted Isiah to clean house.
Spoon? Got here at age 31, played two years. Started 61 games, avg 26 min a game. He was a role player.
His first year? JVG bolted after 19 games and was 10-9. Chaney finished 20-43.

The fall off was stunning as H20 was 30, Spree 31, Camby 27 and KT was 29. They aged really fast and the knicks.

Knicks with games KVH played before traded to Milwaukee was 22-25. Not great, but not the lazy depiction you drew up.

KVH was a SF BTW. His rebounding rate? In his 9 year career he played 575 games and avg'd 6.8 per.
I'll compare him to another SF who is known to be an elite rebounder for his height. Known as a tough as nails players also played 9 years (and going) played 596 games and Avg 7.0 rebs per game. We call that SF Josh Hart.

Go ahead, dismiss me in response to your laziness. Nobody is saying those were anything but **** times but how it happend mattered.
If you think Layden himself had the juice to do the Mcdyess trade and that huge contract himself your delusional.
For what its worth, yes the Layden era was bad. Isiah was an worse epic failure. The constant was Jim Dolan fumbling the Grunfeld situation, installing Layden a neophyte, and then the isiah thing.

A 11 paragraph essay to white knight for Keith Van Horn. I have officially seen it all.

Philc1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:The SpoonMan. Wow those were some dark days.

We loved undersized PFs who couldn’t jump.

Now that is some special forces commando type sh t. Rooting for the Knicks when Layden was busy signing Clearance f cking Weatherspoon and trading for Keith Van Horn. A 6’7 unathletic PF with no moves and a soft as charmin 6’8 small forward neither could guard a stop sign. Only to then watch Eddy f cking Curry couple years later after Isiah traded 3 first round picks for him a 7 foot 300+ lb Center who averaged 5 rebounds a game and couldn’t guard an empty Powerade bottle.

Another lazy ass parrot post. KVH was 6-10, in 47 games as a knick (Thats all) I recall he and Marbury had the knicks playing really well which went down hill when they bought in Tim "Fugazy" Thomas instead because Marbury did not like KVH. In 47 games, eh avg 17.6 pts and 7.8 rebs. Shot 38% from the 3! Peak, KVH avg 21 pts and 8.5 rebs. That peak year he was 19th in total rebounds. How is a player "Soft" a top 20 rebounder?
You parroting Marbury who proved to be pretty soft himself over the years just burning bridges at every stop.

IF you recall Knicks with Doleac and KVH were respectable. It went south when Marbury was given the keys and wanted Isiah to clean house.
Spoon? Got here at age 31, played two years. Started 61 games, avg 26 min a game. He was a role player.
His first year? JVG bolted after 19 games and was 10-9. Chaney finished 20-43.

The fall off was stunning as H20 was 30, Spree 31, Camby 27 and KT was 29. They aged really fast and the knicks.

Knicks with games KVH played before traded to Milwaukee was 22-25. Not great, but not the lazy depiction you drew up.

KVH was a SF BTW. His rebounding rate? In his 9 year career he played 575 games and avg'd 6.8 per.
I'll compare him to another SF who is known to be an elite rebounder for his height. Known as a tough as nails players also played 9 years (and going) played 596 games and Avg 7.0 rebs per game. We call that SF Josh Hart.

Go ahead, dismiss me in response to your laziness. Nobody is saying those were anything but **** times but how it happend mattered.
If you think Layden himself had the juice to do the Mcdyess trade and that huge contract himself your delusional.
For what its worth, yes the Layden era was bad. Isiah was an worse epic failure. The constant was Jim Dolan fumbling the Grunfeld situation, installing Layden a neophyte, and then the isiah thing.

Nah, Marbury was liking the Doleac, KT, KVH frontcourt because they provided him a ton of spacing(for that era) to operate since they all could hit midrange jumpers. Marbury tied his highest ast per game at 9.3 for a season that year and heavily fed his shooters on the pops. Lenny Wilkins was also liking what he was seeing from that group and asked Isiah not to break them up. Isiah didn't listen and wanted to be more athletic. So he moved KVH & Doleac for Tim Thomas & Nazir Muhammad thinking he was getting two potential starters. Problem was the fit didn't work. The hope also was that we were going to get Rasheed Wallace the coming offseason. Was looking to set up a package of 2-3 players out of Mutombo, Muhammad, KT, Tim Thomas for him. Which then turned into Mutombo for Jamal Crawford(After the Nets blitzed Marbury exposing we didn't have anyone else that can handle the rock) and placing Muhammad as the starter.

It’s amazing we somehow didn’t win a chip with Marbury/KVH.

If that's what you got out of that, then no point in utilizing any more energy.