what are the real value of the following guys on our team? would other gm's think they're in the wrong system if they're struggling (like q1)? would other gm's think they're overpaid? would other gm's actually trade for them? are the only way we can move them is if we take back a TON more salary? are we in a position of strength or weakness trying to trade them? think about it before making a quick response like "this guy sucks."

in the nba world, taking into account other team's on court needs, business needs, financial restrictions, etc., what are these guys worth and how would other gm's perceive them?

1. quentin richardson

2. jerome james

3. malik rose

4. maurice taylor

1. right now, Q Rich has very little trade value... he has to show that he can put up #'s again to justify the contract he's signed to.

2. JJ has minus trade value, if that's even possible... no team in their right mind would be interested in acquiring him unless the Knicks were to buy out his contract outright & they could sign him for the veteran's minimum.

3. Malik will have some value towards the end of next season going into the 2007/08 season when his contract becomes a trade chip.

4. Mo Taylor will probably interest some teams, but not at the current dollars he's signed to... if the Knicks would take back a worse contract, or throw in some cash to offset the money owed to him, a deal might be possible... but he's the guy i'd most like to hold onto out of the 4 at this point... he at least contributes something on the court when he's playing.

1) Q - Decent if he can stay healthy, right now: nothing
2) JJ - less than nothing
3) Rose - nada
4) MoT - next year, he'll be an expiry. til then, nothing.

this is why Steph and AD are so important to the team, we have one of the worst crops of veterans in the league. I love almost all the kids, but the vets are horrible. And the kids can't be expected to win on their own - yet.

We need Mo. T. Sad, but we need his production. He is playing great this year!

Lames: the Dude has skills. Not much condition. No heart. But Im a knick fan and in denial, so I root for his emergence! Foolishly.

Rose: Diminishing value. Skills not as it used to be. Good lockerroom presence.

Qich: back not insured. He is a Knick for life of contract.

Bottom line, Isiah can always flip for a slightly better player with a worse contract.

Isiahnomics.

Bottom line, Isiah can always flip for a slightly better player with a worse contract.

Isiahnomics.

Isiahnomics! I like that..that is definitely the Isiah way of doing business

What is the value of other players? In a scale of 1-5 (5 being most marketable), score the below.

- Marbury:
- Craw:
- Curry:
- Penny:
- AD:
- Frye:
- Lee:
- Nate:
- Ariza:
- Woods:

My take...
- Marbury: Great player. he's improving & showing leadership under LB. but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$60mm for 3 yrs! --- 2
- Craw: has talent but way too inconsistent. too weak. not smart. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$50mm for 6 yrs. --- 2
- Curry: Heart condition scares many teams. doesn't play D, doesn't rebound, can't get in shape. TO machine. Great post moves and potential, but --- 2
- Penny: as an ending contract, --- 5
- AD: great leader and solid vet. some teams wanting frontcourt depth during playoff may want him, but most value lies as and ending contract. --- 5
- Frye: solid rookie, but is a defensive liability. needs to go inside more and learn to play solid D. can he do that? --- 5
- Lee: a PF playing SF. great rebounder/hustler/passer. smart player. --- 5
- Nate: fun to watch. has heart&tough. but not smart yet. --- 4
- Ariza: lacks fundamental skills. just athleticism. bentley, my ass. --- 2
- Woods: could be the best wing player on this team. has character issues. --- 3

this is sad...

Posted by fishmike:

When you could go out and sign a Rodney White, Quentel Woods, Rodney Rodgers, Marcus Fizer for league minimum these players have ZERO value.

Aren't these 2 different issues? Sure they're cheap, but I don't see much value in any of these 4, with all due respect to the one we currently have.

Posted by gunsnewing:

but the reason we're stuck is because of the overpaid bums none of which plays defense not because of the Woods, Ariza's of the world

The only thing the team is stuck with is developing Curry and four first round picks over a 2 season window. Sure if those five players don't pan out, the team will be completely screwed. Maybe you think the odds are much higher than I do of those five all not panning out.

I can't think of 1 team other than maybe some past expansion teams that rely solely on rookies who are not going to ever lead this team past the 1st Rd of the playoffs. And Curry is not a Rookie he's a 5yr player who's overweight, poorly conditioned, stupid and doesn't have the strongest of hearts. But thank god we have Maurice Taylor!