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djsunyc
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1/22/2006  9:15 PM
to me, what should transpire for the rest of this season, is the following:

1. fire isiah thomas and take your time finding a legitmate gm (even if it takes the rest of the season)

2. do not trade any player (marbury included)

THAT'S IT.

my reasoning?

1. i think the ying/yang syndrome with isiah's moves, as well as the "incestuous" relationship with marbury, we should remove him from the equation. penny + AD are LOADED guns for isiah to use. i really don't have too much faith in his trading ability. i like his drafting ability but i want a more sound and patient gm in place. some moves have reeked of desperation and that is the LAST thing we need as a franchise. we need a legitimate plan instead of throwing a bunch of stuff to the wall and seeing what sticks. if we can't find one, then that's fine also. we can go with an interim guy until we find our guy. and since we don't have our #1, it won't hurt us not having a permanent gm for draft day (since we're picking #29).

2. and i want a full season to have this team really evaluated by lb and whomever the new gm is. i want penny and ad to expire. and then i want a gm to execute his plan beginning the last day of the season.

i think it's pretty simple. we can go on and on about this player and that player. about how lb is using this guy or that guy. but the guy it all comes back to is the guy that put it together. and i'm afraid what may happen if we keep him around and that's not a good feeling to have...
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1/22/2006  9:21 PM
Last time we had an interim guy he drafted Frederic Weis.....
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1/22/2006  9:52 PM
you for got #3: move the team to another city whose fans are patient and won't boo a young team for doing what they normally do starting off... Lose...
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1/22/2006  10:01 PM
How about get Gerald Green for Trevor Ariza? Anyone?
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1/22/2006  10:22 PM
If I can just find a way to talk to Mr. Dolan, I know I would be able to convince him to give me the job
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1/23/2006  12:46 AM
you guys are acting like there was never a plan.
When he got here the plan was to create the best backcourt in the NBA by teaming up Steph and H20.
H20 started breaking down and Jamal Crawford was brought in to be his backup.

KT was traded for Q and a first round pick which was Nate Robinson.
I thought is was a freaking coup initialy, but no one, and I mean not one person on this earth, could have predicted that q would suck this badly.

Jerome James, I supported it, but it has not worked out. the MLE isn't a big deal, especially for 7 footers, you guys go overboard about this. I STILL think JJ will be a good piece for us.

Eddy Curry was a good move. He has beeen good for us all year. Not a superstar, but an impact player, and is 23 and learning.
Because you don't like it, doesn't make sense to say theres not a plan. I like what was done with what we had. He had SHIT to work with.

Situations have changed and he has had to adjust. He signed Jerome James, and then Curry became available. I like what he has done, I do not like the losing, but I blame LB for that much more than Isiah. Our team isn't balanced, but we should have won way more games.

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1/23/2006  1:20 AM
Posted by s3231:

If I can just find a way to talk to Mr. Dolan, I know I would be able to convince him to give me the job

I wanna coach the team. I at least want to be one of the assistants. I know I can make a lot of guys better on the knicks roster.
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1/23/2006  1:22 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

you guys are acting like there was never a plan.
When he got here the plan was to create the best backcourt in the NBA by teaming up Steph and H20.
H20 started breaking down and Jamal Crawford was brought in to be his backup.

KT was traded for Q and a first round pick which was Nate Robinson.
I thought is was a freaking coup initialy, but no one, and I mean not one person on this earth, could have predicted that q would suck this badly.

Jerome James, I supported it, but it has not worked out. the MLE isn't a big deal, especially for 7 footers, you guys go overboard about this. I STILL think JJ will be a good piece for us.

Eddy Curry was a good move. He has beeen good for us all year. Not a superstar, but an impact player, and is 23 and learning.
Because you don't like it, doesn't make sense to say theres not a plan. I like what was done with what we had. He had SHIT to work with.

Situations have changed and he has had to adjust. He signed Jerome James, and then Curry became available. I like what he has done, I do not like the losing, but I blame LB for that much more than Isiah. Our team isn't balanced, but we should have won way more games.

I agree with this....its like I wrote it lol.
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1/23/2006  2:16 AM
dj -

I DARE you to post this on the NY Times Knicks Forum...

haha..

I jokingly say this since many veteran posters are annointing you "rookie of the year" there but this is the kind of comment that would INSTANTLY throw you into the hater/impatient/fickle fan column and hit the "rookie wall" like Frye...
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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1/23/2006  9:40 AM
I think the bad moves that Isiah has made that might warrent him being fired are his coaching picks.

Isiah falls in love with the letters HOF, but never looks at the coach & how they fit with a roster.

I do think LB is responsible for some of the losses, and with another coach, we might have a better record.

Curry has battle injuries resulting from being out of shape- that's set us back.

Agreed, who would have thought Q would be invisible.

If you are firing Isiah, more has to follow- mills & whoever else is influencing decisions. And you have to do so soon enough that you have a new team on board for the draft & the summer.
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1/23/2006  10:12 AM
Posted by PresIke:

dj -

I DARE you to post this on the NY Times Knicks Forum...

haha..

I jokingly say this since many veteran posters are annointing you "rookie of the year" there but this is the kind of comment that would INSTANTLY throw you into the hater/impatient/fickle fan column and hit the "rookie wall" like Frye...

pres - i ain't scared. the flaw is that they actually think i know what i'm talking about. i'll post it there soon enough...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-23-2006 10:12 AM]
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1/23/2006  10:43 AM
It's funny how a short time ago, it seemed as if everyone wanted Isiah to get the NBA Exec of the year. Now, some of the same fellas that stood there in front of Isiah and cheered for him want to see him fired, to replace him with who? (in other words, DJ, I can't believe my eyes!)

Crap like this is why the fickle NY "fans" make the real fans look bad.

Isiah will NOT be fired. Why? Luckily, everyone who's affiliated with the Knicks doesn't flip-flop when things get rough. It's time that we stick to our guns.

BTW, funny how we don't hear all that ass-backwards Stephon hate that infected this board earlier in the year LMAO.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 01-23-2006 10:50 AM]
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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1/23/2006  10:44 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by PresIke:

dj -

I DARE you to post this on the NY Times Knicks Forum...

haha..

I jokingly say this since many veteran posters are annointing you "rookie of the year" there but this is the kind of comment that would INSTANTLY throw you into the hater/impatient/fickle fan column and hit the "rookie wall" like Frye...

pres - i ain't scared. the flaw is that they actually think i know what i'm talking about. i'll post it there soon enough...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-23-2006 10:12 AM]


Hey DJ, I was just kidding around anyway, didn't mean to call you out or anything like that...
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1/23/2006  10:50 AM
In my ideal world, you guys would calm down until Marbury got back. I know, I know, I'm insane. Sorry.
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1/23/2006  10:52 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

In my ideal world, you guys would calm down until Marbury got back. I know, I know, I'm insane. Sorry.

Actually, that post was right on point.

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
djsunyc
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1/23/2006  11:24 AM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

It's funny how a short time ago, it seemed as if everyone wanted Isiah to get the NBA Exec of the year. Now, some of the same fellas that stood there in front of Isiah and cheered for him want to see him fired, to replace him with who? (in other words, DJ, I can't believe my eyes!)

Crap like this is why the fickle NY "fans" make the real fans look bad.

Isiah will NOT be fired. Why? Luckily, everyone who's affiliated with the Knicks doesn't flip-flop when things get rough. It's time that we stick to our guns.

BTW, funny how we don't hear all that ass-backwards Stephon hate that infected this board earlier in the year LMAO.

two things:

1. at the first q&a, i DID talk to isiah and had a nice 15 min debate with him about the salary cap. at the 2nd q&a, it was the day we signed lb. it was a good day to be a knicks' fan. but i've never came here and outright applauded isiah for his job here. there were always plus' and minus' with him. this is what it comes down to for me, we had a HORRIBLE gm with layden where every move turned out to be a bad move. so by comparison, a gm that's even mediocre will look better. and i think isiah has been mediocre. he's given us some nice pieces but he's also hurt us in other areas as well (MLE spending, veterans on the team, one way players, cap). i just don't feel 100% comfortable as the guy that's running the ship and i think the process has been somewhat delayed...and i'm not even talking about wins here. i'm talking about putting together a team that looks like it can start winning championships down the road. i know it's early but how soon do you think frye and curry can legitimately start together when i can probably score on them? i don't hate isiah, nor do i like him. and that's tough when we're in our situation. i'd like to get a guy in here that gives us all good moves where the bad ones are just the blip. isiah is like the nate of the gm world. aggressive, willing to gamble, tough, and can sometimes look good, but sometimes just look bad.

2. can you sit back and say that steph did not improve since the beginning of the season? in fact, he's a different player than he was as recent as the orlando game (remember the 0-7)? so of course you're not going to hear any steph "hate" b/c he was playing well and the knicks were winning. and the arguments before that were not ass-backwards, they were legit concerns. but throughout it all, i've always maintained we need to move steph for the betterment of our franchise in the longterm and i've never waivered from that. either move steph or trade for kg. and it doesn't look like we're going to trade for kg.
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1/23/2006  11:25 AM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by PresIke:

dj -

I DARE you to post this on the NY Times Knicks Forum...

haha..

I jokingly say this since many veteran posters are annointing you "rookie of the year" there but this is the kind of comment that would INSTANTLY throw you into the hater/impatient/fickle fan column and hit the "rookie wall" like Frye...

pres - i ain't scared. the flaw is that they actually think i know what i'm talking about. i'll post it there soon enough...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-23-2006 10:12 AM]


Hey DJ, I was just kidding around anyway, didn't mean to call you out or anything like that...

i know.
djsunyc
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1/23/2006  11:46 AM
allow me to borrow oohah's style:
you guys are acting like there was never a plan. When he got here the plan was to create the best backcourt in the NBA by teaming up Steph and H20. H20 started breaking down and Jamal Crawford was brought in to be his backup.

everyone has a plan. even layden. his plan was to bring in veteran guys that were safe. he had h20 and spree with ward at the point. we had a center that was constantly injured, and we were still a playoff caliber team. we needed a legitimate big man in the east and he traded for dice. that's a plan, right? but it blew up in his face. everyone has a plan. and if the first plan was to pair steph + h20, then why not go after another jumpshooter for the backcourt? why was that planned abandoned?
KT was traded for Q and a first round pick which was Nate Robinson. I thought is was a freaking coup initialy, but no one, and I mean not one person on this earth, could have predicted that q would suck this badly.

the premise of the kt trade was b/c of his relationship with steph. isiah gave kurt the 4 year extension. he always praised kurt. but we traded him for a guy with an uninsured contract b/c of his back. again, a 62 win team, trades away a starting player, along with a decent draft pick in a deep draft, WITH money as well for kurt (the 30 year old slow as molasses pf). the question i have to ask is why? red flags my friend. i thought it was good at the time also but i'm not paid millions to be the gm and have a lifetime of experience in the league.
Jerome James, I supported it, but it has not worked out. the MLE isn't a big deal, especially for 7 footers, you guys go overboard about this. I STILL think JJ will be a good piece for us.

this signing REEKED of desperation. why? b/c we traded nazr, we traded kurt, we had sweets an d mo and frye, whom they drafted as a center, wasn't good enough to play center for us leaving us with nothing. DESPERATION. $30 mil for 5 years? come on man. the MLE isn't a big deal? why? why couldn't we use that MLE on a player that would help? what if we used that mle on even a guy like james jones...or even damon stoudamire. you don't think those guys could've helped? jerome is a big fat pile of crap and a WASTE of $30 mil + luxury tax. this signing was worse than any signing layden did. even guys like harrington or fatspoon gave us double doubles...
Eddy Curry was a good move. He has beeen good for us all year. Not a superstar, but an impact player, and is 23 and learning.

if you're going to take a risk, then this is the one you take. doesn't mean he didn't overpay but this move can be justified. but he made an error in judgement again as he thought this move would put in the playoffs (hence the unprotected picks).
Because you don't like it, doesn't make sense to say theres not a plan. I like what was done with what we had. He had **** to work with.

have we gotten better defensively at all? in fact, have we brought in any legitimate defenders for our starting unit? this guy played with the bad boys. so, if you're not going defense, then you're going offense, right? well, he has brought in some nice offensive players. then why go out and get a coach that is the complete opposite of what you're trying to do? i think isiah's plan was to go uptempo and play like seattle or pheonix of last year. but he f'd up b/c the guy he brought in to coach it, is the antithesis. contradicting moves. isiah talks like he's old school. he says players should be tough...they should be coached old school like with lb or bobby knight. yet he goes and gets so many players that don't exemplify that.

Situations have changed and he has had to adjust. He signed Jerome James, and then Curry became available. I like what he has done, I do not like the losing, but I blame LB for that much more than Isiah. Our team isn't balanced, but we should have won way more games.

situations have changed b/c isiah had made some errors in judgement. he made an awful coaching hire in lenny. he has formed this bad relationship with the star player which has alienated some players we had (shandon, kurt). a coach has also been a casualty of this relationship (lenny). he has spent a ton of money in the process. people think we have flexibility? our best assets are steph, the young guys, and expiring deals. you want to trade the young guys? you want to trade steph? so that leaves the expiring deals...which will only yield, at the end of the day, another unwanted player that's flawed and continue this process.

i like the "general" direction of the team but i sometimes question whether it's b/c we have such a bad basis of comparison in layden or are we legitimately getting better. i think we are but i think there's some problems as well. he has made some good moves but he has made some bad ones. ying/yang is not what i want in a gm or else the process is delayed.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-23-2006 11:53 AM]
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1/23/2006  3:04 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

It's funny how a short time ago, it seemed as if everyone wanted Isiah to get the NBA Exec of the year. Now, some of the same fellas that stood there in front of Isiah and cheered for him want to see him fired, to replace him with who? (in other words, DJ, I can't believe my eyes!)

Crap like this is why the fickle NY "fans" make the real fans look bad.

Isiah will NOT be fired. Why? Luckily, everyone who's affiliated with the Knicks doesn't flip-flop when things get rough. It's time that we stick to our guns.

BTW, funny how we don't hear all that ass-backwards Stephon hate that infected this board earlier in the year LMAO.

two things:

1. at the first q&a, i DID talk to isiah and had a nice 15 min debate with him about the salary cap. at the 2nd q&a, it was the day we signed lb. it was a good day to be a knicks' fan. but i've never came here and outright applauded isiah for his job here. there were always plus' and minus' with him. this is what it comes down to for me, we had a HORRIBLE gm with layden where every move turned out to be a bad move. so by comparison, a gm that's even mediocre will look better. and i think isiah has been mediocre. he's given us some nice pieces but he's also hurt us in other areas as well (MLE spending, veterans on the team, one way players, cap). i just don't feel 100% comfortable as the guy that's running the ship and i think the process has been somewhat delayed...and i'm not even talking about wins here. i'm talking about putting together a team that looks like it can start winning championships down the road. i know it's early but how soon do you think frye and curry can legitimately start together when i can probably score on them? i don't hate isiah, nor do i like him. and that's tough when we're in our situation. i'd like to get a guy in here that gives us all good moves where the bad ones are just the blip. isiah is like the nate of the gm world. aggressive, willing to gamble, tough, and can sometimes look good, but sometimes just look bad.

2. can you sit back and say that steph did not improve since the beginning of the season? in fact, he's a different player than he was as recent as the orlando game (remember the 0-7)? so of course you're not going to hear any steph "hate" b/c he was playing well and the knicks were winning. and the arguments before that were not ass-backwards, they were legit concerns. but throughout it all, i've always maintained we need to move steph for the betterment of our franchise in the longterm and i've never waivered from that. either move steph or trade for kg. and it doesn't look like we're going to trade for kg.

OK, I'm glad you clarified that. You had me worried for a minute that you were slippin'.
I just had a hard time believing that you want IT fired.

As for the Steph-hate section, that wasn't directed towards you; moreso towards those that brainlessly blamed him as the sole reason the team wasn't any better that the win record shows.

Who says we won't get KG? Keep the rumor going!

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
in djsunyc's ideal world...this is what i wish the knicks would do

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