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holfresh
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1/21/2006  9:47 PM
How can a Byron Scott team with less talent look far superior to the Knicks...Larry has played 11 players thus far...The team still has no idea how to get the ball into the post to Curry...He has not been able to get Fyre the ball where he can be most effective..How does a Byron Scott team look so polished and Knicks have no idea where to set up on the court??? By the way, what is the Larry Brown system..Keep playing head games unitl the entire team is confused? They certainly look confused. The Detoit Piston was a good team b4 Larry got there...They would have made the Championship with Carlisle as the coach..The missing piece was Sheed...When they got Sheed that was it....But the ever opportunist Brown got all the credit for that...Now Detroit playing better offensively now he is gone...I know they are missing Steph but this is ridiculous..They don't even look like they practice...I don't want to hear about Isiah..There is talent on this team....Please let me hear from all those Larry lovers..I also love it when people say a certain player isn't a Larry type player...I guess Le Bron,Carmelo,Amare and Dwayne were not Larry type players as well as they didn't get any minutes in the Olympics.Larry then blames the players for not playing hard and playing unselfishly..America looked at these players as the problem when Larry and the press got through with them..But it was Larry all along...You all can have this guy..He is OVERRATED!!!! Plain and Simple!
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1/21/2006  9:58 PM
How can a Byron Scott team with less talent look far superior to the Knicks

Chris Paul
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1/21/2006  10:26 PM
How can a Byron Scott team with less talent look far superior to the Knicks...Larry has played 11 players thus far...The team still has no idea how to get the ball into the post to Curry...He has not been able to get Fyre the ball where he can be most effective..How does a Byron Scott team look so polished and Knicks have no idea where to set up on the court??? By the way, what is the Larry Brown system..Keep playing head games unitl the entire team is confused? They certainly look confused. The Detoit Piston was a good team b4 Larry got there...They would have made the Championship with Carlisle as the coach..The missing piece was Sheed...When they got Sheed that was it....But the ever opportunist Brown got all the credit for that...Now Detroit playing better offensively now he is gone...I know they are missing Steph but this is ridiculous..They don't even look like they practice...I don't want to hear about Isiah..There is talent on this team....Please let me hear from all those Larry lovers..I also love it when people say a certain player isn't a Larry type player...I guess Le Bron,Carmelo,Amare and Dwayne were not Larry type players as well as they didn't get any minutes in the Olympics.Larry then blames the players for not playing hard and playing unselfishly..America looked at these players as the problem when Larry and the press got through with them..But it was Larry all along...You all can have this guy..He is OVERRATED!!!! Plain and Simple!

Watch out holfresh...I went at it with 2/3 of this forum for a week just for stating that LB made mistakes playing slowdown and giving Lee's and Frye's minutes to Rose and AD over the first 28 games of the season.

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1/21/2006  11:21 PM
Yeah man, be careful what you say about Larry brown around this forum.

1/2 a season and the team still has no clue.

Something has got to give. Either the coach is fired, isiah trys to dump salary, or they trade the kids and get some real reinforcements.

I say fire Larry brown, and trade marbury and try to dump cap and just be done with it.

Right now I'd take herbs style of play from last year. At least the knicks would have some type of structure.

Lose but at least look like you tried.
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1/22/2006  1:32 AM
How funny is this, Did you hear the post game show, Larry is trying to blame the kids. He say something to this effect,When you have to play the young players, that whats going to happen...Did he not notice that NO/OK was also playing young players? Or was he having flashbacks from the Detroit game?
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1/22/2006  1:56 AM
I definitely will not question a coach like Larry Brown with the track record he has but I'm getting sick of everyone bashing each other's opinions so much lately.
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1/22/2006  1:59 AM
Uhm, no Stephon Marbury and the other team has one of the best young players in the NBA.
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1/22/2006  3:30 AM
Posted by holfresh:

How funny is this, Did you hear the post game show, Larry is trying to blame the kids. He say something to this effect,When you have to play the young players, that whats going to happen...Did he not notice that NO/OK was also playing young players? Or was he having flashbacks from the Detroit game?
Speak the truth my brother!

Brown plays the mind games.

I'm watching the game now. Nothing new. Brown took curry out the game. Still no real plays being called for channing. Just no game plan what so ever. How do you let a team come in your building and just dictate every aspect of the game?

Brown was out coached and has been out coached all season. Brown should not have taken the job because this is a full blown youth movement. Brown does not adapt to his players.

I gotta skip a line for this one. People are gonna say brown always loses his first year. What kind of stupidness is that?

I tell you what. Fire brown now. Brown can't win with this team and isiah said he will not trade the kids. Brown doesn't fit. The knicks can not deal with another star phucking trade the future away just so brown can play the right way.

Brown is a well respected coach but Byron has a group that is not as talented as the knicks but has gotten that team to win. Its not just Chris Paul. Byron just got these guys playing their strenghts. Brown should take notes.

If Lenny can't do it and herb can't and Larry the king of kings can't....then who? Someone that has a game plan and has the ability to adapt a system around the talent not the other way around.

Fu ck Larry brown and his couch.

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1/22/2006  3:52 AM
I gotta skip a line for this one. People are gonna say brown always loses his first year. What kind of stupidness is that?

The kind that causes people to rationalize a bad season caused by many factors, and LB is not exempt.

By the way, it originally was: "LB teams always start slow", then it became "LB teams always start slow in their first year", of course that is ignoring his Denver nuggets team: 24-4 and his Carolina Cougars team: 17-11 after 28 games.

Thus far this may have been his poorest coaching job ever. It is not all his fault, there are blatant chemistry problems (IT's fault), the players are young etc.

But it is the coaches job to squeeze every win he can out of a roster. I can't really say he has done that this season.

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1/22/2006  4:09 AM
The Knicks were missing two starters last night and played a good team close. I'm never happy with a loss, but this wasn't a bad one.
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1/22/2006  4:24 AM
The Knicks were missing two starters last night and played a good team close. I'm never happy with a loss, but this wasn't a bad one.

The Knicks were short-handed but the game wasn't close, they were down 16 going into the fourth and they never seriously threatened OKC in the fourth. Paul was making the Knicks look like a bunch of clowns. At a certain point it was like he was Curly Neal or Marcus Haynes with the Globetrotters!

It was a bad loss to me.

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1/22/2006  9:30 AM
I hope that Larry Brown isn't a bad coach as he looks now. I hope he is sending Isiah (or Dolan) a message. As a highly suucessful and respected coach, he should be able to see how flawed this team is. Instead of trying to win with a collection of junk, I think he's trying to dump some of the junk. With the losses mounting, Isiah will have to make some sort of move, won't he?
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1/22/2006  9:52 AM
No coach should ever want to lose. Sending a message, young team, whatever!! You play to the strength of your personnel until you're able to get new personnel. Curry, Steph, Craw could give you 18 or more a game, Frye probably 15 a game. Mo T., QRich, Nate and the rest fill in where/when necessary. We are not a good defensive team but neither is Cleveland, Washington, Dallas, NO/OKC, Denver, Utah, Phoenix, Clippers, Lakers, Sacremento or Golden State but they all have winning or at least competitive teams. I'd love a winning team but I'll settle for competitive any day!!
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1/22/2006  10:30 AM
all those teams have stars who play with pride. Curry has 6 assists and 78 turnovers. He is not even trying to become a better ballplayer.

Crawford for awhile was getting assists and reboundng the ball. Where that energy went wh knows? With Steph out he could've made a huge standard. There is a reason the Baby Bulls were trash when these 2 were the focal point of the attack. They don't want it.

Frye is seeming like the proverbial 1 dimensional jump-shooting big man.

Q is lost

Nate is a 4th guard
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1/22/2006  10:34 AM
and you don't put together a team made to try and score in the 100's and hire a coach who wants to play in the 80's.
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1/22/2006  11:34 AM
has it ever occured to people that the players on the Knicks just arent that good? That the best team we have probably in the last 5 years was the McDyess (out all year) group that Chaney coached to 37 wins?

Chaney sucked
Wilkins sucked
Larry Brown sucks

But Lee is the next Booby Jones, Ariza is a young Marion, Frye is somewhere between Duncan and Raweed, we have all these 2 way players, Curry is better than anyone in the draft.

So what does it tell you when Byron Scott and Sam Mitchell's teams are abusing whoever you put on the floor?

Lets fire Larry Brown. Go ahead. I said when people were killing Lenny and Chaney that it wouldnt matter who you brought in. I was hoping for a mega name like Brown or Phil thinking people might actually stop second guessing the coach and look at the talent assembled on the roster.

Silly me...

Kill the coach all you want. He's a joke. He sucks. He's never done anything. He's got no plan, doesnt know who to play, bla bla bla.

Maybe the problem is we have 15 mediocre players.

Just maybe.

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1/22/2006  11:45 AM
Posted by fishmike:

has it ever occured to people that the players on the Knicks just arent that good? That the best team we have probably in the last 5 years was the McDyess (out all year) group that Chaney coached to 37 wins?

Chaney sucked
Wilkins sucked
Larry Brown sucks

But Lee is the next Booby Jones, Ariza is a young Marion, Frye is somewhere between Duncan and Raweed, we have all these 2 way players, Curry is better than anyone in the draft.

So what does it tell you when Byron Scott and Sam Mitchell's teams are abusing whoever you put on the floor?

Lets fire Larry Brown. Go ahead. I said when people were killing Lenny and Chaney that it wouldnt matter who you brought in. I was hoping for a mega name like Brown or Phil thinking people might actually stop second guessing the coach and look at the talent assembled on the roster.

Silly me...

Kill the coach all you want. He's a joke. He sucks. He's never done anything. He's got no plan, doesnt know who to play, bla bla bla.

Maybe the problem is we have 15 mediocre players.

Just maybe.

Naaaaa

Good post Fish, agree absolutely 100%
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1/22/2006  11:53 AM
same. couldn't have said it better. Maybe we can rehire Lenny Wilkins, Chaney or give Herb his job back and he'll magically make Crawford, Q & Eddy consistent players, and make Frye's feet quicker. Maybe be can get Curry to averaged 11rebs and 3blks a game and maybe he can even force Nate to grow another 6inches! Maybe he can get rid of the salary cap too!

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1/22/2006  1:41 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by fishmike:

has it ever occured to people that the players on the Knicks just arent that good? That the best team we have probably in the last 5 years was the McDyess (out all year) group that Chaney coached to 37 wins?

Chaney sucked
Wilkins sucked
Larry Brown sucks

But Lee is the next Booby Jones, Ariza is a young Marion, Frye is somewhere between Duncan and Raweed, we have all these 2 way players, Curry is better than anyone in the draft.

So what does it tell you when Byron Scott and Sam Mitchell's teams are abusing whoever you put on the floor?

Lets fire Larry Brown. Go ahead. I said when people were killing Lenny and Chaney that it wouldnt matter who you brought in. I was hoping for a mega name like Brown or Phil thinking people might actually stop second guessing the coach and look at the talent assembled on the roster.

Silly me...

Kill the coach all you want. He's a joke. He sucks. He's never done anything. He's got no plan, doesnt know who to play, bla bla bla.

Maybe the problem is we have 15 mediocre players.

Just maybe.

Naaaaa

Good post Fish, agree absolutely 100%



So let me get this straight, If Byron Scott and Sam Mitchell can get a young team to play winning basketball, and Larry Brown who likes to start certain players on the road because it's their home town(I'm not making that one up)seemingly cannot get the job done, then it must be the players....Genius..Why didn't I see that...
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1/22/2006  1:50 PM
Posted by holfresh:


So let me get this straight, If Byron Scott and Sam Mitchell can get a young team to play winning basketball, and Larry Brown who likes to start certain players on the road because it's their home town(I'm not making that one up)seemingly cannot get the job done, then it must be the players....Genius..Why didn't I see that...

What kind of winning basketball is Sam Mitchell getting his team to play first of all? Last time I checked 14-26 isn't winning basketball. You guys want to hang onto this thing about Larry starting guys in their hometowns so much but what does it matter? The Knicks are put together poorly and at the time Larry was doing this players hadn't earned a starting spot. If you asked me there is only player on the Knicks roster that deserved to be in the starting lineup on a nightly basis and thats Stephon Marbury. What other player on this team has earned it before the season started? Frye? Nope, he's shown that he's a rookie and makes plenty of rookie bonehead mistakes and is what some thought he was coming out of college... A SHOOTER at 4 or 5. Curry? Who knew what his deal was after his heart-problem last year. Crawford? Not good enough to start for any team in the NBA. I can go on too, Penny Hardaway? Shot. Antonio Davis? Eh, he plays good D, he MIGHT have been penciled in. Malik Rose? Garbage. Jerome Jame? Garbage. Quentin Richardson? Back problems have changed him to a one-dimensional player.

Notice something ironic about Crawford and Curry? AD, Penny, Malik, Q, Crawford are all making a ton of money and can't even crack a starting lineup for most NBA teams. So tell me this Holfresh, who should HAVE been starting for the Knicks when Larry was playing the lineups he did.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-22-2006 1:54 PM]
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