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JUNKMEIN
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1/21/2006  3:43 PM
Isiah, you've been patient on this and stayed below the radar as far as the Artest situation is concerned. That's a good thing as you've allowed the market to determine his value.

Now we hear this from the Indiana GM

"Walsh adds that the Pacers' preference remains a trade involving only one other team and involving as few players as possible. Without discussing specific scenarios, he acknowledged that "we'd also look at cap savings."

As I and others predicted earlier there was a decent chance that Artest might fall to you if you were to hold back your cards...as you did with Curry imo (no, don't have a problem with the switch of picks). Now with the more likely chance of a one to one swap (Magette) falling through Indiana's getting crap offers and 15 player/4 team trade offers. Indiana has resigned itself to eating the Artest situation. At this time you have more to offer in terms of cap relief than any other team in the league x's 3

Quietly offer: Penny's expiring plus Jerome James and our no. 1 pick plus the Spurs pick for Artest and whatever ridiculous contract they want to ditch (Bender or Croshere).

Is Artest crazy, yup. Nevertheless, this is your opportunity to make up for being shafted on both the Vince and Sheed deals. We need that special 3....and Artest (who's verrrryyyy special mind you) will fit the bill .

Go Get'em Isiah.

[Edited by - Junkmein on 01-21-2006 3:47 PM]
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1/21/2006  8:44 PM
our number one pick from which year? we are kind of low on those...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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1/21/2006  8:45 PM
I would much rather go after KG than Artest. Artest in NY wouldn't be a good thing. He seems way too immature to handle the hometown stuff.
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1/21/2006  10:34 PM
I'm Walsh and he hasn't called!
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1/22/2006  2:35 AM
WOW!!!!!! Bravo JUNKMEIN!!!!!!!! Finally someone else around here is saying what needs to be said! Great post bro! Well said! You got a chance to get a talent like Ron Artest, bottom line, you go get him - I'm right there with ya! I don't want to hear nothing else. I don't want to hear that Isiah doesn't like Walsh and Bird, I don't want to hear Ron's nuts and that he can't handle NY, I don't want to hear that Zeke thought Ron was a pain in the ass when he had him in Indy....Man I'm so sick of that stuff. How bad are you guys sick of losing? How badly do you guys want to win? You gotta ask yourselves... I can understand Artest is not in the best interest of every team (most teams as a mater of fact) but for the Knicks it's an absolute no-brainer. What the hell have we got to lose?!?! Artest only has a few years left on a very reasonable deal. As long as we don't deal Frye, I say if it doesn't work out, later Ron. In my book, Isiah either comes away looking like a total genius or at the very least a guy who showed some real guts in trading for a guy who on paper was the right guy but ultimately didn't work out. Either way he reinforces his commitment to winning with his die hard fanbase as far as I'm concerned. Look, nobody loved John Starks more than me and when I found out we traded him for Sprewell I almost drove my car off the road I was so excited! We just got Latrell Sprewell!!! I'd feel the same way about Artest. Look, you can't tell the bigtime Knick fans who bleed orange and blue and would do anything to win or at least get a taste of winning again that we're not interested in a Ron Artest after we gave guys like Latrell Sprewell, Vin Baker and Eddy Curry all second chances. I'm sorry but I just can't swallow that. And you're right on the money bro, no other team out there can offer a package of a few young pieces (not including Frye), maybe a draft pick, and also expand the deal to take back one or two of Indiana's bad contracts in exchange for one of our expiring contracts like the Knicks can. But we'll never know unless he picks up the phone and starts some serious dialogue with Indiana. Zeke's got to put his personal feelings aside when it comes to the Indiana organization or Ron's prior immaturity and come to grips with the fact that making a move for Artest makes the Knicks better - a whole lot better...

[Edited by - finestrg on 01-22-2006 02:52 AM]

[Edited by - finestrg on 01-22-2006 02:55 AM]
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1/22/2006  4:11 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:

I'm Walsh and he hasn't called!

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1/22/2006  7:44 AM
Penny/Lee/SA pick = Artest/Crosher
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1/22/2006  7:51 AM
Q, Ariza and Lee for Artest.
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1/22/2006  10:25 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

Q, Ariza and Lee for Artest.

Q is a damaged good and has long deal that Indy doesn't want. Not many team would take Q, I think.
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1/22/2006  1:27 PM
Posted by OAK:

Penny/Lee/SA pick = Artest/Crosher

Yeah that's about what I was thinking too Oak. Something along those lines. You're right man, they're not gonna want crap like Q or Jerome James or a big contract like Craw's. Come on, get real here people.
Maybe I might go Davis (who's played for them before)/Lee or Nate (I go Lee because we're too thin in the backcourt to include Nate and Indy might think Lee would be a nice backup for O'Neal returning to the PF spot - they have enough PGs)/the 28-29th pick or Ariza or Butler for Artest & Croshere.

If they did that, I then turn around and swap Penny & Ariza or Butler to the Toronto Raptors for Jalen Rose and the Raptors' 2nd 1st rounder (which amounts to where Denver finishes the season record-wise). This trade senario is gaining some steam again btw. Now we get Artest, Rose plays a majority of the time right away at the 3 until Ron gets back in shape and takes over the position, and we get that mid-first rounder which I want bad. Agreed this upcoming draft's probably not as deep as some in the past, but we'll turn that pick into something useful, trust me. All this second trade depends on is how badly the Raptors want to clear out cap space with Rose's contract. If they want to throw in that 2nd 1st rounder, I interested. Also, It'd be nice to somehow keep our own pick out of the Artest deal and have 2 first rounders, but it's probably wishful thinking.
So that's it - I try my best to pull off BOTH DEALS if I'm Isiah. I think it would really benefit the Knicks in the long run....

[Edited by - finestrg on 01-22-2006 1:34 PM]
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1/22/2006  2:55 PM
I know they wont like to get big contract but I'm tired of giving too much in each trade we make. That being said, what would you think of Q AND FRYE for Artest? It would be a risky move, but I think I would accept it.
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1/22/2006  6:43 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

I know they wont like to get big contract but I'm tired of giving too much in each trade we make. That being said, what would you think of Q AND FRYE for Artest? It would be a risky move, but I think I would accept it.

You know what Dark, in a perfect world with all things being equal, it probably does makes sense. But things aren't all equal here. As far as Indy goes, Ron Artest is a cancer who has sapped the life out of that organization for the second straight year. Being a die hard Knick fan but a fan of the NBA overall, it really sucks what Artest did to them. They want him out in the worst way but they have to maintain the illusion that they're just casually shopping him and that, "they have gotten many interesting offers for Ron." Oh yeah, Donnie, like what? It's all posturing. You think they like having this guy sitting out, not dressing for any of these games? Of course not. They're in a tough spot but they're not going to just give him away. If you're the Knicks or any of the other few teams out there that might be showing interest, you got to know that going in. That's why I laugh at all the guys on these boards that are like, "we'll give them Q, Jerome James, blah, blah, blah..." They're sick to their stomachs over there over this Artest mess, believe me, but they're not just gonna give him away, come on.
The opposite end of the spectrum also applys too. Q and Frye is a probably a fair proposal, but for the Knicks, I just don't see them throwing in their best asset in Frye, one of the best assets we've had here in a long time, in a potential Artest move. That's too much to give up for an enigma like Artest and Indy's got to know that as well. More than half the teams in the league would never take a chance on a guy like Artest and those that might are probably trying to rape the Pacers. That's why the Knicks should try to meet Indy half way so to speak, and offer a package containing parts like Lee, Robinson, Ariza, Butler or the 2006 1st rounder from SA, and Penny or Davis with the willingness to take back a bad contract or two. That's fair without overdoing it considering Indiana's overall predicament. For me including Frye is too excessive and something Indiana should never expect.




[Edited by - finestrg on 01-22-2006 7:00 PM]
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1/22/2006  6:50 PM
please don't mention Jerome James' name in any potential trade offers... no team in the NBA would be stupid enough to take on his contract, much less for an Allstar calibre player like Ron Artest, no matter what other pieces are included in the trade.
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JUNKMEIN
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1/23/2006  4:01 AM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

I know they wont like to get big contract but I'm tired of giving too much in each trade we make. That being said, what would you think of Q AND FRYE for Artest? It would be a risky move, but I think I would accept it.

That's why I laugh at all the guys on these boards that are like, "we'll give them Q, Jerome James, blah, blah, blah..." They're sick to their stomachs over there over this Artest mess, believe me, but they're not just gonna give him away, come on.

[Edited by - finestrg on 01-22-2006 7:00 PM]

Look, my whole point when I started the thread was that Isiah has a slight window of opportunity here to get Artest without having to move one if not any of our younguns. This is because Indy is being offered crapola for Ron. 90% of the league are uninterested in trading anyone for Artest and that's a fact because he would have been traded by now if it wasn't the case. Ron is a cancer to them and you can believe they've considered cutting off the limb to be rid of him but for the good of the organization they've gotta get something for him....Thusly the Public Posturing.

The moment of truth is fast approaching. Do it before the deadline or keep that cancer alive until summer. At what moment do they move forward....at what moment can they move forward.

This kid is the one player in the league that can shut down your star 3 and put star 3 numbers up on him (something the Knicks haven't had in forever). But...but, the catch is that the Indy GM has been during a whole lotta yammering about how they aren't giving him away. That's a telltale sign that no one is offering them anything even remotely close to Ron Rons talent level....Thusly the Public Posturing and the statement about "we'd also look at cap savings."

There is no question that a window of opportunity is here for Isiah and the Knicks to get Ron without gutting the team of it's youth. And, the Knicks have as good an opportunity as any other organization in the league.

"CAP SAVINGS" = NY KNICKS.

Go Get'em Isiah.

Oh, and p.s. to TMS....... Jerome James to INDY for Ron Ron, Jerome James to INDY for Ron Ron, Jerome James to INDY for Ron Ron....hahahah...just kidding



[Edited by - Junkmein on 01-23-2006 04:04 AM]
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