Posted by martin:

so you think that Nate, MoT and David Lee are two-way players in this league?

personally, yes, i do think Nate can play on both ends of the floor... he's shown he can penetrate into the lane almost at will against tough defenders & score... he can shoot the 3... he's a very good rebounder for a G, he plays good 1 on 1 defense, & he's a sparkplug off the bench making hussle plays... maybe i'm the only one to see this... tell me where i'm wrong & maybe we can have a legitimate discussion... or wasn't that as well thought out a response as you were expecting?

as for Mo T, i've been impressed w/his improved play on the defensive end... i don't believe i ever said he was a 2 way player... that was YOUR lazy, nonsensical thought process at work there... i've always said he was a very good offensive player in the low post who's improved drastically on his defensive skills this year... he's obviously not going to win any defensive player awards anytime soon, but he's still better than some of the other bigmen we have guarding the lowpost.

David Lee i think has the most potential to be the best all around player on this team among the young kids, & i stand by that... he rebounds the ball like there's no tomorrow, he's always hustling, he's a good ballhandler & passer for a bigman, & he's just a heady player who makes smart decisions w/the ball... don't even try & pretend like you weren't impressed by his newfound jumper that he displayed during that winning stretch...

you wanna talk about brain cells moving, offer a legitimate counter response to mine instead of merely taking offense at my crack about you being up BRIGGS' ass... & get this straight, i don't taunt people... i asked for a response & all i got was a dismissive, smart ass reply... so in my case, it's pansy taunting, but not in BRIGGS' case in your eyes... thanks for the clarification... maybe you should let BRIGGS fight his own battles instead of holding his hand on every other thread whenever someone challenges his point of view? just a thought.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-20-2006 11:47 AM]

Posted by TMS:

Posted by martin:

so you think that Nate, MoT and David Lee are two-way players in this league?

personally, yes, i do think Nate can play on both ends of the floor... he's shown he can penetrate into the lane almost at will against tough defenders & score... he can shoot the 3... he's a very good rebounder for a G, he plays good 1 on 1 defense, & he's a sparkplug off the bench making hussle plays... maybe i'm the only one to see this... tell me where i'm wrong & maybe we can have a legitimate discussion... or wasn't that as well thought out a response as you were expecting?

Nate has hit his 3's, but discounting those types of shots he is shooting 39% from the field with most of that coming from his drives. His TO per assist numbers are high, and those 2 things in combination lead me to believe that although he is getting to the rim at will he can't finish or dish to the right guys in a way that create easy baskets. Does that make him a good offensive player in lieu of a two-way player? Nate can be bothersome against dribblers, but most other teams play HIM against the pick and roll because he can't stop the pick man. Nate hasn't shut anyone down his size either. Your definition of a 2-way player is a lot lower that most.

Posted by TMS:

as for Mo T, i've been impressed w/his improved play on the defensive end... i don't believe i ever said he was a 2 way player... that was YOUR lazy, nonsensical thought process at work there... i've always said he was a very good offensive player in the low post who's improved drastically on his defensive skills this year... he's obviously not going to win any defensive player awards anytime soon, but he's still better than some of the other bigmen we have guarding the lowpost.

Posted by TMS:

how are there no 2 way players? .... Nate's defensive skills & his ability to penetrate to the hole & score off his energy alone... Mo T's scoring off the bench was lauded just a few days ago & you all were praising him for his new penchant to draw charges on help defense... David Lee ...

You start your statement with the question how are there no 2-way players and then you follow with a list of Nate, MoT, and Lee. That's what I call saying here is my list of 2-way players.