chandler has been a bust of monumenetal proportions. they would give him away right now, IMHO. But they are on the hook for 60 large+

bigbeast, I respect your opinion and you may well turn out to be right and I may be wrong . . . but I doubt it !! IMO Chandler is a bum, and a terminal one at that. He ain't never averaging any 12 points per game. Have you watched the guy?

I've watched more last year with Curry than this year. The few times I saw him, he never touched the ball on Offense. Skiles runs nothing for him. As long as he's playing for Skiles, he'll never develop. Skiles seems to run most of his stuff for the perimeter players. In the right situation, under the right tutelage, he can be a pretty good player I think.

Look how long it took for Camby and Ben Wallace to develop.

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Posted by Marv:

IMO Chandler is a bum, and a terminal one at that. He ain't never averaging any 12 points per game. Have you watched the guy?

My opinion too. Also a big problem is that he is injury prone. Not as much this year but he has a history. He is a poor mans Camby. Not worth it.

A poor mans camby, and a rich mans Loren Woods.

To be fair, he's had some pulminary problems.

Keep in mind, Curry and Chandler were the anchor of a very good defensive team last year that not only went to the playoffs but if they had Curry, may have made it to the second round.

The reason why Chandler doesn't look as good this year as he did last year is because he's not a lead actor so to speak. He's a supporting actor. Last year when Curry was at his side, he was really good in his role. He grabbed about 9 rebs per, blocked almost 2 shots and made alot of clutch hustle plays.

This year he's on an island by himself. He's just not a big time scorer, but what he is, is a glue type of player. He completes a TEAM because he does all the dirty work. I think he needs a new environment.

I guess nobody sees what I see, but this lineup
Curry
Chandler
Artest
Craw
Marbury
Richardson
Can compete with anyone except the pistons, in the watered down east. The nets would have no answers for Curry or Artest. And artest will give Vince loads of problems.

The pacers would be weakened just for giving up Artest and Shaq is literally on his last legs.

There isn't any other alternative. Rashard Lewis is a pipe-dream, and Harrington is too good to except the MLE. Atkins, Watson and James will make the Knicks a little bit better but I thought the idea was to put together a championship calliber team. Atrest is a championship calliber talent, but it is unsure whether he has a championship calliber mentality (By the Way, Rodman has 5 rings).

Knicks have zero assets. No draft picks to improve and no money under the cap to lure in top freeagant talent (by the way, Artest is better than any free agent the knicks could sign anyway) We could sit ans wait and hope that Frye and Lee develop. IF they do develop, by that time Marbury will be about 32 yrs old. Then the Knicks will be in the market for a pg. This wont be easy when you realize the Suns own our pick in 2010. What if Frye doesn't develop into a big time PF? What if he's just a jump shooter? Its scary seeing Frye go into post because he looks so small. The D swallows him up. He nees to add at least 15-20 pounds of muscle easy.

Maybe I'm just blind, but the team I'm suggesting is doable. Getting harrington and or Lewis doesn't seem like it is. Plus, Artest is better than both of them anyway.

Larry Brown took a the 94 pacer team to the eastern conference finals
Workman
Miller
McKey
Dale Davis
Smits
Miller was an allstar and Smits was boarderline. The rest of the guys were average with Workman being a little below average. If Larry can work wonders with that team you don't think he can figure out a way to take Curry, Chandler, artest, CRaw, Marbury, Q-Rich to an eastern conference final and maybe beyond in a more watered down eastern conference? That is a TEAM, not individual talent. Chandler and artest are glue type players. They make all the hustle plays. Artest can even give you 19-20 pts per. Q-Rich, Artest, And Marbury at the 1-2-3 would probably be the strongest (stregnth-wise) perimeter in the NBA. Artest presence makes Craw and -Q-rich better players. Now, craw would be a 4th option. How many teams would have a better 4th option than Craw or Q-rich. (Artest would be first opt, Marb 2nd and Curry 3rd)

Look, I don't want it to seem as though I'm giving up on Frye and Lee, I think they have a chance to be good players but, we have zero assets. Its gonna be hard to surround them with better players with no picks and no money.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 01-19-2006 10:37 AM]

bigbeast, that's a good post. I get your logic. My view goes the other way, though. To me, Chandler is a back-up center who's gonna command big bucks because he'll always present this 'potential" and IMO never fulfill it. His version of "glue" should be purchased at the MLE IMO but I think he's gonna get Eddy-like money from some sucker.

Artest IMO is gonna totally screw up whatever team he ends up on. I think you're really underrating how negative an effect he's had on the Indiana franchise. It's now like what Roy Tarpley did to Dallas. You refer to Rodman but he had the stability to be a major contributor on 5 championship teams. Artest has done nothing but fold when his team has needed him. I'm glad to see Walsh finally wise up and stop catering to him. Plus I also do believe that trades between Bird and Isiah will not happen.

AND . . . . . I think you're selling Frye and Lee's futures short.

what about jerome james for tyson chandler?.....think they would bite...i'll give em ad back too or malik...

No! I'[m gonna replace him with Artest and Chandler. Artest easily replaces Fryes scoring and then some. Chandler adds rebounding, shot blocking, hustle plays and length up front