Reg Season      Playoffs   
 Year  Tm   Lg      W    L  WPct    W   L  WPct 
+--------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+
 1973  CAR  ABA    57   27  .679    7   5  .583
 1974  CAR  ABA    47   37  .560    0   4  .000
 1975  DNA  ABA    65   19  .774    7   6  .538
 1976  DNA  ABA    60   24  .714    6   7  .462
 1977  DEN  NBA    50   32  .610    2   4  .333
 1978  DEN  NBA    48   34  .585    6   7  .462
 1979  DEN  NBA    28   25  .528
 1982  NJN  NBA    44   38  .537    0   2  .000
 1983  NJN  NBA    47   29  .618
 1989  SAS  NBA    21   61  .256
 1990  SAS  NBA    56   26  .683    6   4  .600
 1991  SAS  NBA    55   27  .671    1   3  .250
 1992  SAS  NBA    21   17  .553
       LAC  NBA    23   12  .657    2   3  .400
 1993  LAC  NBA    41   41  .500    2   3  .400
 1994  IND  NBA    47   35  .573   10   6  .625
 1995  IND  NBA    52   30  .634   10   7  .588
 1996  IND  NBA    52   30  .634    2   3  .400
 1997  IND  NBA    39   43  .476
 1998  PHI  NBA    31   51  .378
 1999  PHI  NBA    28   22  .560    3   5  .375
 2000  PHI  NBA    49   33  .598    5   5  .500
 2001  PHI  NBA    56   26  .683   12  11  .522
 2002  PHI  NBA    43   39  .524    2   3  .400
 2003  PHI  NBA    48   34  .585    6   6  .500
 2004  DET  NBA    54   28  .659   16   7  .696
 2005  DET  NBA    54   28  .659   15  10  .600
+--------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+
  4 Seasons ABA   229  107  .682   20  22  .476
 22 Seasons NBA   987  741  .571  100  89  .529
+--------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+
 26 Seasons      1216  848  .589  120 111  .519
+--------------+-----+----+-----+----+---+-----+

How about
5) this team has 8 new players. In the offseason they traded
away their starting center, PF and SF, i.e., their ENTIRE front court.
Of the 7 players remaining from last year 2 are raw (Trevor, Jackie),
and one is finished (Penny). Only 2 are possible starting material Steph and JC.
Ever hear of a thing called chemistry?
As a side note, in addition, to a complete roster make over,
we also got a new head coach.

Posted by oohah:

How about
5) this team has 8 new players. In the offseason they traded
away their starting center, PF and SF, i.e., their ENTIRE front court.
Of the 7 players remaining from last year 2 are raw (Trevor, Jackie),
and one is finished (Penny). Only 2 are possible starting material Steph and JC.
Ever hear of a thing called chemistry?
As a side note, in addition, to a complete roster make over,
we also got a new head coach.

And all they had to do to find 'chemistry' was switch the minutes played by the rookies and the vets drastically and play a different style.

Other than that I don't see how your post relates to anything I have been writing about in this post or the other points I have made in other threads while discussing this subject.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 01-11-2006 07:48 AM]

Posted by Panos:

Posted by oohah:

How about
5) this team has 8 new players. In the offseason they traded
away their starting center, PF and SF, i.e., their ENTIRE front court.
Of the 7 players remaining from last year 2 are raw (Trevor, Jackie),
and one is finished (Penny). Only 2 are possible starting material Steph and JC.
Ever hear of a thing called chemistry?
As a side note, in addition, to a complete roster make over,
we also got a new head coach.

And all they had to do to find 'chemistry' was switch the minutes played by the rookies and the vets drastically and play a different style.

Other than that I don't see how your post relates to anything I have been writing about in this post or the other points I have made in other threads while discussing this subject.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 01-11-2006 07:48 AM]

Maybe you should just have this conversation by yourself then.

I did, when all you guys were whining 2 months ago and I was saying exactly when we would have a set rotation I had that conversation with myself many times.

I think I called the three guard rotation and the David Lee slowly working his way back in the line-up sometime in November. And I did say all the fans would say "see LB finally got smart and listened to us" I predicted it all. I am a genius.

I like how we ignore one of the most important points. I love when something disagrees with a persons point of view so instead of addressing it, they simply dismiss it.

The fact is I said this would happen BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED. That should tell you something.

I said the vets would start the season and then guys would grab minutes as the season went on. When everyone was turning on LB I said it would be a tough go and that this guy was not going to compromise 20 years of coaching so that he can win a couple more games. I said, I said, I said................

I would have done the same thing. This notion that you hand guys minutes so you can win a few more games as a good thing is simply a fan notion. Good coaches don't coach that way.

Maybe you should just have this conversation by yourself then.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Panos:


Maybe you should just have this conversation by yourself then.

I did, when all you guys were whining 2 months ago and I was saying exactly when we would have a set rotation I had that conversation with myself many times.

Bippity, I was addressing oohah.

Posted by oohah:

I like how we ignore one of the most important points. I love when something disagrees with a persons point of view so instead of addressing it, they simply dismiss it.

In fact it is you has ignored my points throughout, instead repeating the same unprovable, "anything LB does is good" rhetoric.

You still have not explained how David Lee did not deserve to play more than Rose or even get in the game so often throughout the early season.

You still have not addressed Frye's yoyo-ing time even though he has been the team's most consistent player.

You still have not addressed that the Knicks are playing a totally different style since 4 games ago.

The fact is I said this would happen BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED. That should tell you something.

Bippity, are you getting a little conceited?

I said the vets would start the season and then guys would grab minutes as the season went on. When everyone was turning on LB I said it would be a tough go and that this guy was not going to compromise 20 years of coaching so that he can win a couple more games. I said, I said, I said................

I don't know what to reply to this other than to say it has nothing to do with anything.

I would have done the same thing. This notion that you hand guys minutes so you can win a few more games as a good thing is simply a fan notion. Good coaches don't coach that way.

This begs the question: Why were Rose and Ad 'handed' minutes? So LB can teach the young guys a lesson about losing? How come Penny wasn't 'handed' minutes?

By the way, the whole "I am a coach so I know what is right" bit is tired. It also seems you consider yourself the coaching equivalent of LB since you foresee all of his movements beforehand. Is it really like that?

***

Maybe you should just have this conversation by yourself then.

Feel free to drop out of the conversation Panos.

oohah

I've addressed it 90 times you just chose to ignore it. Once again I will. If you don't want your young guys endign up like Kwame Brown or even Eddie Curry, where 5 years later you are still teaching them about effort you KEEP THEM ON A SHORTER LEASH THAN THE VETS. Guys like Pat Riley, JVG, LB are notorious for this.

When Ariza lost his starting position what did he say a week later after the media circus and fan frenzy died down? He said he realized he had to be a professional. That to get time he had to stop whining, not pout and simply go out and play harder and play his game. I think it's great how quick our young guys are learning this. kwame Brown and some of the others are still fighting with the coach's and crying about the playing time they "deserve". LB makes the young guys earn it, MORE THAN THE VETS because they are the guys who will be here 3, 4, 5 years from now. Not Malik Rose. They have to learn lessons now or they will never learn them. Who cares about the first 45-50 games of a season that will not result in a title. It's about teaching lessons.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-11-2006 08:11 AM]

I also remember telling the story of my own team a few years ago when I had three freshman that were better than the starters. I knew before the season started and anyone had even seen them play that they were the best players on the team. Instead of handing them minutes I put them on a shorter chain than the rest of the team because I did not want them to feel entitled. I told the press that don't play because I didn't believe in playing freshman. Fans called me dumb. I knew the guys were going to be major cogs in my rotation but I refused to bow because I knew that those guys that fight and earn things, fight even harder to keep them. I knew if they fought to earn their roles that 3 months later they would still be fighting. I knew that by suddenly yanking minutes from vets who felt "they were entitled" to a bunch of young guys would wake them up and tell them they had to step it up a notch if they wanted to get back on the court. By the end of the season my freshman were the key to my team and the vets were playing harder than they had the previous three years. All the fans said "I told you so". They never recognized that I was COACHING effort by making them EARN minutes.
If I had simply handed the minutes to the young guys and put the vets on the bench the vets would have been resigned to their fate and the freshman would have had four years of starting having never had to force someone else out of that role. They would have been like every other good freshamn in my state that never gets better and four years later is still the same player. There is a reason my guys play harder than everyone, and it's not because every year around game 10 I magically remember that the year before my team won when I used a rotation. I'm forgetful but not that forgetful. This isn't a new thing. This is common knowledge that kids in rec leagues know a set rotation works. This isn't some brand new coaching element that the fans of NY have figured out. These guys play hard now because they know they have to.

I am not getting conceited. I am conceited.

But that still does change the fact that I said this would happen 2 months ago when some were saying we should fire LB.

I've addressed it 90 times you just chose to ignore it. Once again I will. If you don't want your young guys endign up like Kwame Brown or even Eddie Curry, where 5 years later you are still teaching them about effort you KEEP THEM ON A SHORTER LEASH THAN THE VETS. Guys like Pat Riley, JVG, LB are notorious for this.

When Ariza lost his starting position what did he say a week later after the media circus and fan frenzy died down? He said he realized he had to be a professional. That to get time he had to stop whining, not pout and simply go out and play harder and play his game. I think it's great how quick our young guys are learning this.

I think it's great how quick our young guys are learning this. kwame Brown and some of the others are still fighting with the coach's and crying about the playing time they "deserve".

LB makes the young guys earn it, MORE THAN THE VETS because they are the guys who will be here 3, 4, 5 years from now. Not Malik Rose. They have to learn lessons now or they will never learn them.

Who cares about the first 45-50 games of a season that will not result in a title. It's about teaching lessons.