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Caseloads
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1/9/2006  3:15 PM
"It's unlikely that the Bobcats will go on a mad spending spree this coming offseason. A run at Peja Stojakovic or Ben Wallace just would not make sense. But if you're a budding player like Trevor Ariza or Nene or Justin Reed, wouldn't you have your eye on the Bobcats? Heck with the winning percentage, of course you would."

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1/9/2006  3:20 PM
I'm not worried at all about losing Ariza, but it would be nice if we can package him in a trade before we lose him for nothing. I wouln't waste any of the MLE on re-signing Ariza

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-09-2006 3:21 PM]
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1/9/2006  3:39 PM
I would like to keep him as a back-up SF but the MLE might be a bit too much for him at this point. But instead of losing him for nothing, I would like to package him and maybe the pick from the Spurs to move up into the middle of the draft. This draft is going tobe pretty deep but by the time the Knicks pick at 28-29, all of the Knicks target players will probably be gone.
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1/9/2006  3:51 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I'm not worried at all about losing Ariza, but it would be nice if we can package him in a trade before we lose him for nothing. I wouln't waste any of the MLE on re-signing Ariza

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-09-2006 3:21 PM]

currently hes our only player that has some defensive on the wings. although i like lee at sf more than ariza, i like his d and hustle and willingness to get better. i'd give him some on the mle just to keep him.
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1/9/2006  3:54 PM
With the season Ariza is having, I don't see any team taking a real 'run' at Ariza. The competition won't be that fierce. I think the Knicks can re-sign him pretty easily if they want to.

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1/9/2006  4:01 PM
Posted by oohah:

With the season Ariza is having, I don't see any team taking a real 'run' at Ariza. The competition won't be that fierce. I think the Knicks can re-sign him pretty easily if they want to.

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only if its for the LLE which is. I wouldn't waste any of the MLE on him and then only have enough to sign the next Jerome James
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1/9/2006  4:12 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by oohah:

With the season Ariza is having, I don't see any team taking a real 'run' at Ariza. The competition won't be that fierce. I think the Knicks can re-sign him pretty easily if they want to.

oohah

only if its for the LLE which is. I wouldn't waste any of the MLE on him and then only have enough to sign the next Jerome James

That's the issue. If another team offers him a salary starting at $2.5 mil and he asks us to match it, do we use half the MLE on him or do we lose him for nothing? Avoiding this issue was the reason I wanted Isiah to use the portion of the MLE not used on Baker to give Ariza a multi-year deal so that we could have his Bird rights.
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1/9/2006  4:34 PM
What is really out there for the MLE that is so great?
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1/9/2006  4:40 PM
Posted by Nalod:

What is really out there for the MLE that is so great?
Very few teams get good players with the MLE but some nice role players occasionally sign for it. Mike James might be like Briggs mentions. Pachulia's putting up 11 & 9 and was available for the MLE last offseason. Marquis Daniels signed for the MLE 2 seasons ago. (Dallas may have had the home-town advantage but it was still an MLE deal.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-09-2006 4:41 PM]
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1/9/2006  4:55 PM
if brian scalbrine can snag half an mle, anything is possible.

i like mike james, hes a much higher caliber player than you can usually get at that price.

Knicks have to be realistic. Taking another premium guard to give us 4 and drafting a big is the way to go. We wont have picks for awhile, and trying to trade for a big isnt easy. No one is giving james more than the MLE, yet hes worth more. I would try to give him 3-4 years, but still a value at 5.

i dont think anyone is giving trevor 30mm$, i think its more likely he is a knick at a discounted price for 2 more years.
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1/9/2006  5:02 PM
I think LLE is only 2 years, $3.3 mil. A team would barely have to dip into the MLE to beat that for Trevor. It wouldn't shock me if some team with a lot of cap room used a tiny portion of that cap room and gave him a $4+ mil contract. Hopefully Trevor has some home-town loyalty.
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1/9/2006  5:14 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I think LLE is only 2 years, $3.3 mil. A team would barely have to dip into the MLE to beat that for Trevor. It wouldn't shock me if some team with a lot of cap room used a tiny portion of that cap room and gave him a $4+ mil contract. Hopefully Trevor has some home-town loyalty.

if thats the case then he would sign with the clippers or lakers!
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1/9/2006  5:21 PM
Lakers have no cap room
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1/9/2006  5:29 PM
remember, because of the Arenas rule, Knicks can match any offer to Trevor. They could spend their MLE on Mike James and still be able to match any offer for Ariza.

If we want him, he's ours.
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1/9/2006  5:32 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

remember, because of the Arenas rule, Knicks can match any offer to Trevor. They could spend their MLE on Mike James and still be able to match any offer for Ariza.

If we want him, he's ours.
I believe that's a common misunderstanding. My understanding is that we can match an offer but we have to use the MLE to do so and can do so only if we have the full MLE still available. If the MLE is $5 mil and some team offers him a contract starting at $2.5 mil, we can match the offer, forcing Ariza to remain a Knick. However, we then have only $2.5 mil ($5 mil MLE - $2.5 mil Ariza contract) left of the MLE to use on other players. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-09-2006 5:33 PM]
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1/9/2006  5:41 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I think LLE is only 2 years, $3.3 mil. A team would barely have to dip into the MLE to beat that for Trevor. It wouldn't shock me if some team with a lot of cap room used a tiny portion of that cap room and gave him a $4+ mil contract. Hopefully Trevor has some home-town loyalty.

if im the knicks ill match any reasonable offer. I would NOT match an MLE and I doubt trevor sees close to that.
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1/9/2006  5:52 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I think LLE is only 2 years, $3.3 mil. A team would barely have to dip into the MLE to beat that for Trevor. It wouldn't shock me if some team with a lot of cap room used a tiny portion of that cap room and gave him a $4+ mil contract. Hopefully Trevor has some home-town loyalty.

if im the knicks ill match any reasonable offer. I would NOT match an MLE and I doubt trevor sees close to that.

what's reasonable? 3mm if another team offers 2.5? who are we going get for the remaining 2mil. chances are we'll. sign a scrub like brewer, barnes. I rather have the full MLE to sign a mike james type who's a much better player than Ariza. unless what Crzymups said is right

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-09-2006 5:56 PM]
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1/9/2006  6:33 PM
Ariza is like 3 years away from anything. should have stayed in college. but if we did, we'd never have grabbed him in the 2nd round.
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1/9/2006  6:45 PM
they already signed Gerald Wallace to a MLE level contract before he had proven much of anything other than the fact that he was a phenomenal athlete... i'm wondering if Ariza will garner similar interest?
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1/9/2006  6:48 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I think LLE is only 2 years, $3.3 mil. A team would barely have to dip into the MLE to beat that for Trevor. It wouldn't shock me if some team with a lot of cap room used a tiny portion of that cap room and gave him a $4+ mil contract. Hopefully Trevor has some home-town loyalty.

if im the knicks ill match any reasonable offer. I would NOT match an MLE and I doubt trevor sees close to that.

what's reasonable? 3mm if another team offers 2.5? who are we going get for the remaining 2mil. chances are we'll. sign a scrub like brewer, barnes. I rather have the full MLE to sign a mike james type who's a much better player than Ariza. unless what Crzymups said is right

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-09-2006 5:56 PM]

tho i love Mike James, if Nate Robinson continues to play well, we really don't need to go after him... he's more of a scoring PG anyway who plays high energy, defends & runs the floor, much like Nate, only taller... but Nate makes up for his lack of size w/his heart.

if we're going to use the MLE in the offseason, i'm guessing it will be on a SF who can shoot from the perimeter... even tho Lee's done a good job lately, he's still more of a 4... if he can work on a 3 pointer in the offseason, maybe he becomes an Austin Croshere type player w/better basketball smarts... that wouldn't be bad either.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-09-2006 6:49 PM]
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