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TheSage
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1/8/2006  4:36 PM
I think (maybe hope) that Steph has come to the conclusion that Larry knows what he is doing even though he doesn't agree with LB's methods. Today's game was reminiscent of the way Clyde used to do it, feed, feed, feed until the guys around him aren't hitting or the other teams is putting some heavy D on them and then take over as he did late 2nd. He looked an awful like the best point guard in the league as he proclaimed.
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1/8/2006  4:41 PM
i think he is learning to play the right way, during this streak this is the 1st time as a knick ive seen him communicate with his teamates, lead them when the time came and he was even seen breaking out the huddle telling his teamates no threes...if he continues to play like he is and develops into a leader, the brown effect is truly unbelievable than
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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1/8/2006  4:53 PM
I think Nate playing consistently is the Key to the Knicks resurgence. He gives them a threat outside of Marbs to beak down the defense. Watch the defenses without Nate. They just stare at Marbs and the offense bogs down. Nate's really made us more fluid and his presser on the opposing point is great too.

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1/8/2006  8:04 PM
NYKniCksFan87 - excellent points on number 3.

I especially enjoyed him emphatically reminding his mates to box out during Seattle free throws down the stretch.

He was conversing with Nate before the opening tip. He hit the open man. He was Larry's coach on the floor and for that he should be commended and encouraged to be even better.

All he has to do is keep talking. keep his head up and enjoy the game.

Is that a novel concept or what?
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1/8/2006  8:11 PM
i think marbury is playing as part of a much more effective unit, especially starting games. it used to be him and a bunch of guys who couldn't score like Q malik and AD, now curry is in gear and nate and lee are stepping up so marbury has plenty of people to dish to and to take the pressure off himself. he's responded really well

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1/8/2006  8:12 PM
I just hope the next lose this team get all this progress doesn't turn to crap, and that Marbs goes back to moping, this is how we will find out if this is a real turn around or not.

I like what I see out of Marbury and the rest of the guys, let's just see how they handle a back to back with two good teams coming up this week.
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1/8/2006  8:16 PM
I keep losing the game picker but im loving it
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1/8/2006  8:17 PM
I think Steph has reached a comfort level with what Larry wants him to do, which has enabled him to relax and let his natural ability take over, instead of over thinking.
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1/8/2006  11:04 PM
Steph has been for parts of games been doing the right thing, but there were other components. Many eddie either been out, hurt, or wheezing.

It makes a difference.

Funny this all with Qich and craw basically not existant.
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1/8/2006  11:08 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I think Nate playing consistently is the Key to the Knicks resurgence. He gives them a threat outside of Marbs to beak down the defense. Watch the defenses without Nate. They just stare at Marbs and the offense bogs down. Nate's really made us more fluid and his presser on the opposing point is great too.

Knew we were getting a starting 2G who could shoot the 3 from Pho in the KT trade but I didn't think it would be Nate
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1/8/2006  11:25 PM
1 key thing with Nate is that he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective
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1/8/2006  11:46 PM
Steph is a work in progress just like the team. He will have some setbacks as the season goes on and hopefully the fans won't take it personally and start hating him again. The guy is working and trying to get better. He has habits that he still needs to fix but it's amazing how they all seem to go away when we start winning

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-08-2006 11:46 PM]
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1/8/2006  11:53 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

He has habits that he still needs to fix but it's amazing how they all seem to go away when we start winning

i will say this, marbs has been playing better...as are the other players, hitting shots and bringing up steph's assist #'s but if you watch this game, steph is still shoot-first. 15 assists? yup. AWESOME. i would be a DOLT to not appreciate his play this past week. but there was a good stretch of this game where he was just going for his. there were numerous times where he just didn't recognize an open man b/c his first instinct is to shoot. there were numerous times he had WIDE OPEN guys to his left or to his right but didn't pass it off. like i said in my recap, it would be nitpicking b/c we won and he put up great #'s. but i still am not convinced he is the pg for us long term nor do i like having a pg on the team being of the "shoot first" mind. so, to me, they did not go away just b/c we're 0-3.
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1/8/2006  11:57 PM
I remember the stretch you were talking about. WE hadn't hit a shot in a while then he went off and scored about 8 or 9 shots in a row. I think LB then set up plays designed for him to shoot just like he had done for Nate in the second when he scored 8 in a row. When the fourth started he took some more shots I think as a heat check. That's old school basketball from an old school coach. Ride the hot guy!!!!

You definitely are nitpicking by the way. Can't you just enjoy the performance???

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-08-2006 11:57 PM]
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1/9/2006  12:13 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I remember the stretch you were talking about. WE hadn't hit a shot in a while then he went off and scored about 8 or 9 shots in a row. I think LB then set up plays designed for him to shoot just like he had done for Nate in the second when he scored 8 in a row. When the fourth started he took some more shots I think as a heat check. That's old school basketball from an old school coach. Ride the hot guy!!!!

You definitely are nitpicking by the way. Can't you just enjoy the performance???

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-08-2006 11:57 PM]

hey, i'm happy to go to the games again and be allowed to cheer. so yes, i can enjoy it.

but then a post comes and i guess, for some stupid bravado reason, i have to reply to just re-affirm my position on him. i admit it's nitpicking and i would love nothing more than steph leading this team to deep playoff runs. i would love nothing more than to eat my own words. but my stance hasn't changed on him.

i still LOVE what i'm seeing tho as i can finally enjoy this team and enjoy my trips to and more importanly FROM the garden.
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1/9/2006  2:26 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

He has habits that he still needs to fix but it's amazing how they all seem to go away when we start winning

How about the possibility we have a better chance of winning when he keeps his bad habits in check?

Good week for Steph, I'd be happy for him and his fans if he wins POTW. But it's not the first time we've seen high calibre ball from him, on this team or others, but that never fully erased his other issues and made his position secure.

There's no way to guarantee that we will keep winning so as to keep Steph's bad habits hidden. For instance injuries to a couple of key players could set us right back down the losing path (which is true for any club), but if every losing streak is gonna bring out the worst in Steph it's gonna be a rocky road.

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the promise shown by our frontcourt and glad to see Steph keeping them involved. Right now everybody's gotta just keep on keeping on.
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1/9/2006  5:58 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

He has habits that he still needs to fix but it's amazing how they all seem to go away when we start winning

i will say this, marbs has been playing better...as are the other players, hitting shots and bringing up steph's assist #'s but if you watch this game, steph is still shoot-first. 15 assists? yup. AWESOME. i would be a DOLT to not appreciate his play this past week. but there was a good stretch of this game where he was just going for his. there were numerous times where he just didn't recognize an open man b/c his first instinct is to shoot. there were numerous times he had WIDE OPEN guys to his left or to his right but didn't pass it off. like i said in my recap, it would be nitpicking b/c we won and he put up great #'s. but i still am not convinced he is the pg for us long term nor do i like having a pg on the team being of the "shoot first" mind. so, to me, they did not go away just b/c we're 0-3.

Yeah because Steph is not allowed to shoot at any point during the game right? What Steph did was taske over during a lull in the action when guys weren't hitting shots. Its not called shoot-first, its called picking your spots. We need him scoring. He needs to get involved in the offense not only as a distributor, but as a scorer as well. Nit-picking isn't really the word I would use to describe what you are doing. Funny how when Jamal takes 6-7 shots in a row, its fine. when Steph does it he's a shoot-first point guard. 15 assists for a shoot first pg. how many would he have had if he were a pass-first pg. I have said it before and I'll say it again:

1. shoot-first/pass-first are cliche's. If, as a pg who dishes 15 dimes, you have a stretch where you look for your own shot, that does not move you from one category to another. To say so is absurd. When Nash came down on fast breaks and stopped and pulled up for 3, was he a shoot first pg, or was he their best player trying to take over the game?


2. You are a hater.
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1/9/2006  6:48 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

He has habits that he still needs to fix but it's amazing how they all seem to go away when we start winning

so, to me, they did not go away just b/c we're 0-3.


"b/c we're 0-3".....uhhh, I think you mean 3-0. A Freudian slip if i've ever seen one

I agree that he is more times than often he's been a shoot first pg (there's that cliche again). But for recently he's been an all star caliber pg.

Let's just give him credit for the last few games.

I saw him smiling more during our last game than I have in quite a while. Who knows, he just might hang around for a bit.
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Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

He has habits that he still needs to fix but it's amazing how they all seem to go away when we start winning

i will say this, marbs has been playing better...as are the other players, hitting shots and bringing up steph's assist #'s but if you watch this game, steph is still shoot-first. 15 assists? yup. AWESOME. i would be a DOLT to not appreciate his play this past week. but there was a good stretch of this game where he was just going for his. there were numerous times where he just didn't recognize an open man b/c his first instinct is to shoot. there were numerous times he had WIDE OPEN guys to his left or to his right but didn't pass it off. like i said in my recap, it would be nitpicking b/c we won and he put up great #'s. but i still am not convinced he is the pg for us long term nor do i like having a pg on the team being of the "shoot first" mind. so, to me, they did not go away just b/c we're 0-3.

Yeah because Steph is not allowed to shoot at any point during the game right? What Steph did was taske over during a lull in the action when guys weren't hitting shots. Its not called shoot-first, its called picking your spots. We need him scoring. He needs to get involved in the offense not only as a distributor, but as a scorer as well. Nit-picking isn't really the word I would use to describe what you are doing. Funny how when Jamal takes 6-7 shots in a row, its fine. when Steph does it he's a shoot-first point guard. 15 assists for a shoot first pg. how many would he have had if he were a pass-first pg. I have said it before and I'll say it again:

1. shoot-first/pass-first are cliche's. If, as a pg who dishes 15 dimes, you have a stretch where you look for your own shot, that does not move you from one category to another. To say so is absurd. When Nash came down on fast breaks and stopped and pulled up for 3, was he a shoot first pg, or was he their best player trying to take over the game?


2. You are a hater.

hey, at the end of the day i'm happy that we're winning. 3-0 is nice but we got a long way to go. our major problems on the defensive end have yet to be addressed so the kool-aid is in check. let's go steph and let's go knicks!!!
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1/9/2006  9:53 AM
The real big thing with marbs is everywhere he has been, its been on him to score, and the more he scores, the better he is!

Years of "all alone" have forged a tough mentality to do more of his thing for a team to be successful.

The Minny years where KG was all still too young may or may not hold up on my theory.

Its tough for him to trust others and move the system when he can get any shot he wants. he can drive, slash, hit long, get closer, etc. marbs can do what ever he wants.

Thinking about getting the ball to his team where they can do good has not been an instinct for him.

Thus, taking 30 games to break him of this instinct and start reacting in a different way is not easy. He is a great talent and a major weapon.

Larry is not trying to take his game away, but refine and make it easier for him. Easier shots means less energy spent and makes him less fatigued at games end to hit those free throws and make a good pass!

Once he has accomplished it, and starts feeling it, its a more than a learned behavior, it can be a rythem!
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