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Killa4luv
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1/8/2006  9:18 AM
New York Daily News - Jason Kidd wants to win gold again. He wants to represent his country. But he also craves an NBA championship.
That's why Kidd has yet to make a decision on whether to join Team USA and commit his next three summers to Jerry Colangelo.

Kidd spoke with the managing director of USA Basketball on Thursday about going for his second gold medal but still is undecided. He's not sure if he wants to sacrifice three offseasons of rest as he gets older.

"I wanted to get all the information about the three-year commitment," said the 32-year-old Kidd, whose Nets look to extend their winning streak to 10 today in Toronto. "I told him I wanted to talk it over with Joumana (his wife) and see what we will decide on."

Colangelo wants to unveil his roster during All-Star weekend in mid-February. The point guard says he will not take that long to make up his mind.

Kidd clearly was one of the best to ever play the PG position. But he'll be 35 or 36 when this happens. He just had knee surgery and has lost a step. What will he look like in 3 years? He should let someone at a different stage in their career do it.
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1/8/2006  9:25 AM
That shouldnt be up to him. If he's too old , clunky or injured, they should pick someone else. But if they pick him, how can you say no to international basketball against the best players in the world? Chicken?
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1/8/2006  9:56 AM
Posted by firefly:

But if they pick him, how can you say no to international basketball against the best players in the world? Chicken?

Well, hes already done it once. he has his gold. i think the nba ring is more important to him.
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1/8/2006  10:03 AM
on a side note, the nets should SERIOUSLY think about moving him. he has a big deal and he's getting old. he's lost a step or two. they should think about moving him for some nice young players so when/if they move to brooklyn in 2-3 seasons, they have a nice young unit instead of an old dying one.

although, from what i've heard, IF they are going to trade anyone, it would be vince.
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1/8/2006  10:45 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

on a side note, the nets should SERIOUSLY think about moving him. he has a big deal and he's getting old. he's lost a step or two. they should think about moving him for some nice young players so when/if they move to brooklyn in 2-3 seasons, they have a nice young unit instead of an old dying one.

although, from what i've heard, IF they are going to trade anyone, it would be vince.

if I am forward looking GM, I would trade both, but here is the dilema: They need to keep Kidd and Vince to attrack initial season ticket holders and corporate sponsors to the new brooklyn house, and you can't do that as well with some unproven players. But longterm you gotta gauge both Vince and Kidd and know when they are going to start to slow down and trade them 1 year ahead of that.
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1/8/2006  11:06 AM
Why would they move Kidd for young players when they are trying to win a championship now? Thats just idiotic. They are one rebounding big man away from seriously contending for a championship. Break that up because they are concerned for the future? Lets be realistic here. Yeah he has lost a step or two but that hasnt stopped him from beating our asses in and average a triple double in this little winning streak they have going on. Also last time I checked Vince Carter was 29 not 34.
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1/8/2006  11:17 AM
I don't see any way they could contend this year with SA and Det. How are they gonna get that one rebounding big man without giving up one of their key three players? And if they give up one of their key three, they're not gonna contend anyway.
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1/8/2006  1:06 PM
Posted by ultknicks524:

Why would they move Kidd for young players when they are trying to win a championship now? Thats just idiotic. They are one rebounding big man away from seriously contending for a championship.
No they are not. there is no way in hell they beat the pistons. rebounding big or not. they need to diversify. if the could move RJ or Vince for a big who plays on that level, than yes, they would be contenders. Rigfht now they are a good team who doesn't have what it takes.
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1/8/2006  4:07 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by ultknicks524:

Why would they move Kidd for young players when they are trying to win a championship now? Thats just idiotic. They are one rebounding big man away from seriously contending for a championship.
No they are not. there is no way in hell they beat the pistons. rebounding big or not. they need to diversify. if the could move RJ or Vince for a big who plays on that level, than yes, they would be contenders. Rigfht now they are a good team who doesn't have what it takes.

well thanks to their league high ten game winning streak, they passed miami and are now the second best team in the east. I dont think them being title contenders are as implausible as I once thought.

[Edited by - slimpack on 01-08-2006 4:07 PM]
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1/8/2006  4:17 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by ultknicks524:

Why would they move Kidd for young players when they are trying to win a championship now? Thats just idiotic. They are one rebounding big man away from seriously contending for a championship.
No they are not. there is no way in hell they beat the pistons. rebounding big or not. they need to diversify. if the could move RJ or Vince for a big who plays on that level, than yes, they would be contenders. Rigfht now they are a good team who doesn't have what it takes.

well thanks to their league high ten game winning streak, they passed miami and are now the second best team in the east. I dont think them being title contenders are as implausible as I once thought.

[Edited by - slimpack on 01-08-2006 4:07 PM]

true, but thats just in the regular season. i dont think they'll have a shot at the ring without a dominant big man, but then again, nets fans believe kristic is better than curry.
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1/8/2006  4:30 PM
no way the Nets will really contend. If they can get a good package for Kidd, that is the prudent move.

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1/8/2006  5:03 PM
I would love to hear anyone posit a realistic trade scenario for Kidd that benefits the Nets. I don't think anyone could come up with one.

Even with a lost step Kidd is the first or second best PG in the NBA right now.

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1/8/2006  5:08 PM
moving kidd, despite his age, wouldnt be the way to go. you would have to move either VC or RJ. without kidd, these players would not be the same.
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1/8/2006  5:37 PM
Posted by jaydh:

moving kidd, despite his age, wouldnt be the way to go. you would have to move either VC or RJ. without kidd, these players would not be the same.
I think RJ would still be good, though not quite as good. But Vince definitely needs Kidd or a leader with Kidd's character and credibility to keep him in check.
If the Nets are thinking long-term rather than just this year, a trade of Vince for Josh Howard, KVH, and Devin Harris would make sense.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-08-2006 5:39 PM]
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1/8/2006  6:05 PM
If the Nets are thinking long-term rather than just this year, a trade of Vince for Josh Howard, KVH, and Devin Harris would make sense.

That trade would make the Mavs even more of a contender now and it would make the Nets worse right now.

In the future it makes the Mavs worse, and the Nets better than mediocre, but not a contender.

The Nets are looking past this year. They are 1 power player away from being a contender. Vince is star Now and Kidd is a star now. RJ is an up and coming star now. Their realistic window is the next 2-3 years.

My conclusion: Good trade for the Mavs, bad trade for the Nets.

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1/8/2006  6:11 PM
It depends on how much you feel you can depend on Vince long-term and how good you think Josh Howard and Devin Harris can be. I'm not very high on Devin Harris but I think you and I have different opinions of Vince and Josh.
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1/8/2006  6:48 PM
It depends on how much you feel you can depend on Vince long-term and how good you think Josh Howard and Devin Harris can be. I'm not very high on Devin Harris but I think you and I have different opinions of Vince and Josh.

The long and short term goals speak to the crux of what I am saying. Vince and Kidd probably don't have that much time left as top-level stars. (Vince isn't that old, but he is injury-prone. Great shooter though, so that might keep him a star.) So the Nets best bet is to try to win big now rather than be reasonably good later. Kidds and Carters don't grow on trees.

We disagree somewhat, I think Harris can be a real star, at times he reminds me of Kevin Johnson. Howard is already a very good player, but I don't see him as ever being a true star, and certainly not a Vince Carter, "I'll Drop 45/10/6 on your team tonight and win it myself" player.

But your trade scenario isn't ridiculous like some that I have seen.

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1/8/2006  9:44 PM
just like in 99- the nets in the play offs have the possibility of winning- they have carter, rj & kidd that can score and score in a hurry.

kristic had a great series in loosing to miami last year.

they could make it to the 2nd round, but probably are a part or two short of being there.

yes- they probably should move vince & kidd- blow it up before their too old and capped out- just like we should have blown up our team after the 90's
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1/8/2006  10:06 PM
yes- they probably should move vince & kidd- blow it up before their too old and capped out- just like we should have blown up our team after the 90's

I think the Nets' nucleus of Kidd/Carter has 2 more really good years, maybe even 3. WIth Krstic and Jefferson steadily improving, I would bank on Thorn adding a good power player and boosting the bench looking towards a title run in the next 2 seasons before he blows it up.

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