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Dual Reports: Q Rich officially on the Block; George Karl trying to get rid of Voshon
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EnySpree
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1/5/2006  2:27 AM
Marriage made in heaven.

To hell with Eric "too old and too wack" Snow.

Want a real point guard off the bench? Earl Watson is your man. Dude has been through the ringer and now he is ready to play. He is a high charecter guy. Check what he has been doing in Denver despite Boykins and Andre Miller being there. Adding Voshon to the trade makes is work!!!! Voshon is a shooter. He can flat out shoot it.

Q Rich is not hurt! He might be a little bit but if eh is traded to Denver I bet the guy all of a sudden finds his game. George Karl is the perfect coach for him and he has an automatic fit with that Denver team.

Marriage made in heaven!!!!

edit: This trade should be made sooner than later so the team can move on. Get Craw off the bench and with Marbs. Watson will be ready for war. Voshon is feening to play. Karl basically is Ron Artesting Voshon. Voshon would be great asset to the Knicks outside shooting. Nate is the Odd man out but I think the team will be better off. Nate is still the future.

[Edited by - enyspree on 01-05-2006 02:34 AM]
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1/5/2006  2:38 AM
Newsday - It's well-known throughout the league that the Knicks are trying to trade Richardson. Denver might be a possibility because Nuggets assistant GM Jeff Weltman drafted Richardson, and the Knicks are interested in backup point guard Earl Watson. But their salaries don't quite match this season, and even though both are signed for five more years Richardson's contract is valued at $42.9 million compared to $29 million for Watson, making it difficult for the Nuggets to take back that much money, according to one NBA personnel expert.

Karl hopes Lenard gets traded soon

By ARNIE STAPLETON, AP Sports Writer
January 4, 2006

DENVER (AP) -- Nuggets coach George Karl wants guard Voshon Lenard to get traded soon.

Lenard, who is making $3.2 million, hasn't played much this season because his skills don't lend themselves to Karl's preference for a fast-paced style and the 11th-year pro also irritated management last month when he asked for a trade and refused to go into the game in the final seconds of a lopsided loss.

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"I said it on my radio show this morning and I'll say it again: the one guy I hope is traded soon is Vo, for him and for us," Karl said before the Nuggets' game against Indiana at the Pepsi Center on Wednesday night.

"For him because I think he deserves an opportunity to play. He's worked hard to get back from his injury (torn Achilles' tendon). He's definitely a good enough basketball player to be given an opportunity to play."

Karl had higher hopes for Lenard back in October after Lenard had made a remarkable recovery from a torn Achilles' tendon in his left knee on opening night in Los Angeles last season, then missed 79 games before returning for the final two.

Lenard, however, quickly fell out of favor with Karl, who took over for the final two months last season and led the Nuggets to the playoffs with an up-tempo offensive style.

"For me, after the exhibition season, the defense and transition philosophically were working against Vo," Karl said. "It was not that I didn't think Vo could play NBA basketball. I just didn't think he could play the tempo or the defense that I wanted to play."

Lenard, who didn't speak to reporters Wednesday night, has played in just 12 games and averaged 8.3 points this season.

Karl said Lenard's attitude, however, has been outstanding.

"He's been very professional. He's a quiet guy anyway but he's been great," Karl said. "He's been a first-class citizen professionally. Yesterday's practice he and Julius (Hodge) were the two best players on the basketball court."

Yet, that effort isn't buying him many minutes on game night, and it's not changing Karl's mind, either.

"That window isn't shut, but if Kenyon (Martin) is out for the year, if we lose another player and we're going to go to playing an 85-point game, Vo might have an opportunity to fit into a 5-on-5 offense," Karl said. "I still think everybody in this organization is committed to actually trying to pick the pace up in 2006."

Karl said it's just become a situation where a good player is wasting away on the bench in a city where he is no longer wanted.

"A lot of times, I hate to say this, I've realized in time that there's lots of times coaches have to go, and there are times in basketball that players need to be moved," Karl said

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1/5/2006  4:53 AM
I'd be happy to see that. But who do we send with Q? If it isn't 2 for 2, someone on the Knicks gets cut. I don't think it's time to cut Q2 or any of the other likely candidates.
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1/5/2006  6:07 AM
I think thats a great trade for both teams. Denver dont need Watson or Lenard, Q's just not fitting in here. But I would go one better.

How about Watson, Lenard and KMart for Davis, QRich and Butler.

Why? KMart's on the hook for 5 more years at mucho dollars (80 mill over the next 5, including this one), but he's not old, and would be the perfect defensive partnership next to Curry. I think Denver would do it, as they get massive cap space next year to try again, plus they get two big bodies (Davis is generally injury free) for this season as well. An added bonus would e if Butler pans out.

The big question of course is whether we should take Martin and his huuuuge contract. Well, IMO, one has to think a. can we do better with the expiring contract and b. can K-Mart survive his pre-season knee op? I think, at 28 (last week or so), K-Mart has every chance of recovering. It wouldn't be like McDyess, as noone is expecting him to be the savior, and considering that we will be trading this expiring contract for someone, I would rather trade it for someone of value, as opposed to Jalen this year, then some other over-the-hill guy next year etc. etc.

So, in summation, yeah, the money's huge, but I think we do it. I would even ask for a pick for all the money we're saving them.

[Edited by - firefly on 01-05-2006 06:09 AM]
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1/5/2006  7:10 AM
Kenyon Martin has the worst contract in the NBA. He is not the same Kmart who played for the Nets. He has a arthritic knee which is only going to get worse. I have watched the Nuggets a lot this season and he is not the same high flying dunker anymore. He gets his share of dunks but he is becoming more of a jumpshooter. His defense isnt where it was either. 5 years for 70M for that kind of a player? No thanks. They can keep him.
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1/5/2006  7:37 AM
yea and do we really need another pf? id much rather get a pg or sf from a deal with q. k-mart would only take minutes away from frye anyway
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1/5/2006  8:28 AM
Denver is so screwed with Kmart- he had a good game last night, but he is going to be penny hardaway 3 years before his deal is up.

I don't understand why Denver wants to trade watson- they've been doing well with a 3 guard line up- that fits with karls up tempo play.
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1/5/2006  9:27 AM
I cant believe some people think trading Q for Watson is a good trade. As the original post stated - trade Q and I bet he magically finds his game. People have been complaining about this guy like he is a bum - same think happened to Timmy T when he got here. I think there must be something in the water that makes players not play as good when they are in a NY uni unless they are true warriors.

Mark my words - if Q is traded he will be a much better player suddenly - and the Knicks will once again get ripped off in the trade.

WTF do we need Watson for? Isnt he extremely undersized????
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1/5/2006  9:54 AM
oops again... i didn't see this thread when i posted on the other 2... it's early, leave me alone.


We could really use a perimeter shooter like Veshon Lenard, & the Nuggets have a backup PG we could use as well.

how about a trade of Q Rich & Ariza for Lenard, Watson & a future protected pick?

Q & Ariza would flourish in the uptempo style George Karl has implemented, & i'm sure Karl would appreciate Trevor's intangibles & defense... meanwhile the Knicks would stabilize both G positions & add a much needed perimeter shooter to keep teams honest when defending penetration.
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1/5/2006  10:09 AM
Q sucks right now, cuz he's f'd up in the head... the dudes brother just got killed....
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1/5/2006  10:10 AM
Posted by TMS:

how about a trade of Q Rich & Ariza for Lenard, Watson & a future protected pick?

Yeah I could live with this. We need a pick straight up though, we are easily giving up the best player and a prospect.

Still got a hole at 3 though.
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1/5/2006  10:13 AM
Posted by DaMano718:

Q sucks right now, cuz he's f'd up in the head... the dudes brother just got killed....

No disrespect to Q, but he was sucking way before his brother was killed.
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1/5/2006  10:15 AM
I think the best two options for a Q trade are:

DEN for Watson
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POR for Patterson

I think Patterson is more likely.
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1/5/2006  10:18 AM
Unless the dude's back is permanently screwed up he's a WAY better player than we've seen so far. What about shutting him down indefinitely until he either gets rehabbed, correctly diagnosed, operated on, retired with a disability, something more definitive?
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1/5/2006  10:29 AM
Qich might not be the player for larry's system.

He reminds a lot of Denis Scott form Georgia Tech. Dude lasted 10 years in the NBA, but really was shot after about 6 years.

To slow for SG, to small for SF, had a nice game but body did not hold up.

I feel for the dude and what he is going thru, but if he is not going to fit in and his back is problematic, then lets get what we can for him and move on.

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1/5/2006  10:38 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TMS:

how about a trade of Q Rich & Ariza for Lenard, Watson & a future protected pick?

Yeah I could live with this. We need a pick straight up though, we are easily giving up the best player and a prospect.

Still got a hole at 3 though.

yeah, but that hole isn't being filled by Q or Ariza anyway... now that LB's playing Lee at the 3, i think this trade makes sense for both teams... doesn't mean Isiah can't look to make another trade to get a true 3 sometime around the Allstar break when teams are looking to dump contracts.
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1/5/2006  10:47 AM
Posted by Marv:

Unless the dude's back is permanently screwed up he's a WAY better player than we've seen so far. What about shutting him down indefinitely until he either gets rehabbed, correctly diagnosed, operated on, retired with a disability, something more definitive?

I agree. I think Q is better than the stuff that's been bandied about. I think people are giving up on him too soon. But it does seem like he's being shopped.
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1/5/2006  11:12 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Qich might not be the player for larry's system.

He reminds a lot of Denis Scott form Georgia Tech. Dude lasted 10 years in the NBA, but really was shot after about 6 years.

To slow for SG, to small for SF, had a nice game but body did not hold up.

I feel for the dude and what he is going thru, but if he is not going to fit in and his back is problematic, then lets get what we can for him and move on.

agreee 150 with everything you said

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I cant believe some people think trading Q for Watson is a good trade. As the original post stated - trade Q and I bet he magically finds his game. People have been complaining about this guy like he is a bum - same think happened to Timmy T when he got here. I think there must be something in the water that makes players not play as good when they are in a NY uni unless they are true warriors.

Mark my words - if Q is traded he will be a much better player suddenly - and the Knicks will once again get ripped off in the trade.


WTF do we need Watson for? Isnt he extremely undersized????

How would the Knicks get ripped off for moving a guy who ain't and probably never will produce for us? So what if he turns it around in Denver. Doesn;t seem like hes gonna turn it around for us. Plus, I'm sure Watson can't do much worse than 7pts Q-rich is giving us. He just isn't that good. Have you seen this guy in the post? He shoots lay-up airballs and bricks from ten feet away. He's 6'6 230 but he has no lift which enables him to post like we all thought he could.

He's a specialist now. Similar to the role Eddie House is playing in Phoenix. Shoot it early and often from behind the arc. That seems to be the only system that he can benefit from. Denvers system may help him a little, but he's just not that good.

By the way, Lenard is garbage at this point in his career. Another soecialist with slow feet on the D. Only reason I'd take him is because his contract is up in the summer. And no way I take Martin. He's damaged goods.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 01-05-2006 11:21 AM]
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1/5/2006  11:24 AM
You gotta love NY fans...give a guy a few months here on a team that is struggling and his career is "done" - lets be realistic here, you cant just trade every single player after they dont produce immediately. They guy is having personal issues, health issues, and coaching issues with the system.

That doesnt mean you give him away. I would say if there was a #1 draft pick unprotected and maybe a second rounder or a future #1 protected added in, as well as an ok player that will fill a need - then you do it. But what exactly are we getting from this trade scenario?

When a player is good in NY eveyone overvalues him, when he is bad - he becomes extremely undervalued. I thought the trade of KT for Q was a good one and I stand by it. If this team was performing like it should, Q would be a valuable piece. There is a lot more to this then just general health and mental stuff.

The locker room is probably a huge part of the problem every player is having right now. No team spirit or pride. Give them a few wins and see what happens. Dont make a trade just to make a trade.
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