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http://www.forbes.com/home/lists/2005/12/21/cz_jg_nba_player_relative_productivity_score.html

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Jack Gage, 12.22.05, 3:00 PM ET

NEW YORK - Our Player Relative Productivity Score or “PRPS” analyzes player value over the last three seasons using game statistics to measure performance against current salaries. In this case, we tailored our methodology to the 100 highest-paid NBA players for 2006. Surprises include Elton Brand, Shawn Marion and Dirk Nowitzki, who, despite huge contracts, represent great values to their respective clubs. On the other hand, even a degree of playoff success (also factored into our scoring system) didn’t help a pair of perennial all-stars: Jermaine O’Neal and Jason Kidd.



Sco = Player Relative Productivity Score (PRPS)
Sal = Salary in millions
Sco Sal
1 Detroit Pistons Chauncey Billups 189 5.9
2 Dallas Mavericks Jason Terry 179 6.7
3 Sacramento Kings Peja Stojakovic 169 7.5
4 Boston Celtics Ricky Davis 167 5.9
5 Phoenix Suns Kurt Thomas 164 7.1
6 Sacramento Kings Brad Miller 160 8.8
7 New Orleans Hornets P.J. Brown 157 8.0
8 Los Angeles Clippers Corey Maggette 154 7.0
9 Milwaukee Bucks Joe Smith 153 6.4
10 Los Angeles Clippers Sam Cassell 151 6.2
11 San Antonio Spurs Manu Ginobili 150 7.4
12 Washington Wizards Gilbert Arenas 148 10.2
13 Phoenix Suns Steve Nash 146 9.6
14 Los Angeles Clippers Elton Brand 145 13.1
15 Phoenix Suns Shawn Marion 144 13.7
16 Dallas Mavericks Dirk Nowitzki 143 13.8
17 Detroit Pistons Ben Wallace 143 7.4
18 Detroit Pistons Richard Hamilton 142 8.4
19 New York Knicks Jamal Crawford 140 6.5
20 Memphis Grizzlies Pau Gasol 139 10.9
21 New Jersey Nets Vince Carter 139 13.8
22 Cleveland Cavaliers Larry Hughes 139 10.3
23 Milwaukee Bucks Bobby Simmons 139 8.0
24 Denver Nuggets Marcus Camby 138 10.0
25 Sacramento Kings Kenny Thomas 137 6.5
26 Miami Heat Antoine Walker 137 6.9
27 Denver Nuggets Andre Miller 137 8.1
28 Seattle Supersonics Ray Allen 137 13.2
29 Boston Celtics Paul Pierce 135 13.8
30 Detroit Pistons Rasheed Wallace 135 10.2
31 Sacramento Kings Mike Bibby 134 11.5
32 LA Clippers Cuttino Mobley 133 7.2
33 Memphis Grizzlies Mike Miller 132 6.9
34 Indiana Pacers Ron Artest 129 6.8
35 Houston Rockets Tracy McGrady 129 15.6
36 Minn Timberwolves Kevin Garnett 127 18.0
37 Orlando Magic Grant Hill 126 15.6
38 Orlando Magic Steve Francis 125 13.7
39 Houston Rockets Juwan Howard 123 5.9
40 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan 122 15.8
41 GS Warriors Jason Richardson 122 8.9
42 Denver Nuggets Kenyon Martin 120 10.8
43 Cle Cavaliers Zydrunas Ilgauskas 120 8.7
44 Seattle Supersonics Rashard Lewis 120 10.7
45 Golden State Warriors Troy Murphy 118 7.4
46 New York Knicks Quentin Richardson 117 6.9
47 Miami Heat James Posey 117 5.9
48 New Orleans Hornets Desmond Mason 117 7.2
49 Philadelphia 76ers Chris Webber 115 19.1
50 Los Angeles Lakers Lamar Odom 114 11.4
51 Los Angeles Lakers Kobe Bryant 114 15.9
52 Memphis Grizzlies Eddie Jones 113 14.5
53 Minn Timberwolves M. Olowokandi 112 5.9
54 Utah Jazz Carlos Boozer 112 11.2
55 Portland Blazers Ruben Patterson 112 6.4
56 Seattle Supersonics Danny Fortson 111 6.2
57 Miami Heat Shaquille ONeal 110 20.0
58 New Jersey Nets Richard Jefferson 110 10.2
59 Philadelphia 76ers Allen Iverson 109 15.3
60 Atlanta Hawks Al Harrington 109 7.0
61 Minn Timberwolves Wally Szczerbiak 108 10.5
62 New York Knicks Stephon Marbury 104 15.3
63 Spurs Radoslav Nesterovic 104 6.7
64 Sac Kings Corliss Williamson 104 6.0
65 Portland Blazers Darius Miles 103 7.3
66 Memphis Grizzlies Lorenzen Wright 102 7.7
67 San Antonio Spurs Tony Parker 101 8.4
68 Milwaukee Bucks Michael Redd 99 12.0
69 Utah Jazz Andrei Kirilenko 98 10.9
70 Dallas Mavericks Jerry Stackhouse 97 8.4
71 Indiana Pacers Scot Pollard 97 6.3
72 Philadelphia 76ers Samuel Dalembert 97 8.5
73 Boston Celtics Raef LaFrentz 97 10.6
74 Miami Heat Jason Williams 96 7.6
75 Washington Wizards Antawn Jamison 96 13.8
76 Toronto Raptors Alvin Williams 95 6.3
77 Utah Jazz Mehmet Okur 93 8.3
78 New York Knicks Eddy Curry 90 7.4
79 Golden State Warriors Baron Davis 88 13.7
80 Chicago Bulls Tyson Chandler 86 9.0
81 Dallas Mavericks Erick Dampier 85 8.7
82 Golden State Warriors Adonal Foyle 84 7.3
83 Atlanta Hawks Joe Johnson 82 12.0
84 New York Knicks Malik Rose 81 7.0
85 Orlando Magic Kelvin Cato 79 8.6
86 Portland Blazers Zach Randolph 77 10.6
87 Indiana Pacers Jonathan Bender 76 7.2
88 Sacramento Kings Bonzi Wells 75 8.0
89 Indiana Pacers Austin Croshere 70 7.9
90 Los Angeles Lakers Kwame Brown 68 7.5
91 Milwaukee Bucks Jamaal Magloire 67 8.3
92 Indiana Pacers Jermaine ONeal 66 16.4
93 New Jersey Nets Jason Kidd 64 16.4
94 Toronto Raptors Jalen Rose 61 15.6
95 New York Knicks Maurice Taylor 52 9.1
96 New York Knicks Antonio Davis 50 13.8
97 Portland Trail Blazers Theo Ratliff 40 11.6
98 Dallas Mavericks Keith Van Horn 38 15.6
99 New York Knicks Anfernee Hardaway 31 15.7
100 Chicago Bulls Tim Thomas 29 13.9
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franco12
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1/3/2006  6:07 PM
so malik rose is 'better' than jason kidd?
Bonn1997
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1/3/2006  6:09 PM
And people made it sound like Marbury had an awful contract! By this analysis, he's right in the middle of the pack among max contract players for productivity per dollar in salary.
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1/3/2006  6:27 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

And people made it sound like Marbury had an awful contract! By this analysis, he's right in the middle of the pack among max contract players for productivity per dollar in salary.

technically he's below the middle, according to this thing he earns his contract as much as rasho nesterovic does, but who knows how accurate this thing is, I dont even know how they came up with those numbers
islesfan
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1/3/2006  7:10 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Bonn1997:

And people made it sound like Marbury had an awful contract! By this analysis, he's right in the middle of the pack among max contract players for productivity per dollar in salary.

technically he's below the middle, according to this thing he earns his contract as much as rasho nesterovic does, but who knows how accurate this thing is, I dont even know how they came up with those numbers

Neither does Bonn but that's not going to stop him from pretending like it means something.


If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Bonn1997
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1/3/2006  7:21 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Bonn1997:

And people made it sound like Marbury had an awful contract! By this analysis, he's right in the middle of the pack among max contract players for productivity per dollar in salary.

technically he's below the middle, according to this thing he earns his contract as much as rasho nesterovic does, but who knows how accurate this thing is, I dont even know how they came up with those numbers

Neither does Bonn but that's not going to stop him from pretending like it means something.

I put the "By this analysis" qualification precisely because I knew nothing about the validity of the analysis. It wasn't a very serious comment. I didn't think anyone was taking anything in this thread seriously since we know nothing about the analysis.
islesfan
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1/3/2006  7:31 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Bonn1997:

And people made it sound like Marbury had an awful contract! By this analysis, he's right in the middle of the pack among max contract players for productivity per dollar in salary.

technically he's below the middle, according to this thing he earns his contract as much as rasho nesterovic does, but who knows how accurate this thing is, I dont even know how they came up with those numbers

Neither does Bonn but that's not going to stop him from pretending like it means something.

I put the "By this analysis" qualification precisely because I knew nothing about the validity of the analysis. It wasn't a very serious comment. I didn't think anyone was taking anything in this thread seriously since we know nothing about the analysis.

When do you not put a qualification?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Bonn1997
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1/3/2006  7:55 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Bonn1997:

And people made it sound like Marbury had an awful contract! By this analysis, he's right in the middle of the pack among max contract players for productivity per dollar in salary.

technically he's below the middle, according to this thing he earns his contract as much as rasho nesterovic does, but who knows how accurate this thing is, I dont even know how they came up with those numbers

Neither does Bonn but that's not going to stop him from pretending like it means something.

I put the "By this analysis" qualification precisely because I knew nothing about the validity of the analysis. It wasn't a very serious comment. I didn't think anyone was taking anything in this thread seriously since we know nothing about the analysis.

When do you not put a qualification?

Um, I guess on those occasions when I believe there's nothing that deserves to be qualified. That was a brilliant question Isles.
Rich
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1/3/2006  8:01 PM
Dolan keeps hiring GMs who are profligate spenders, which doesn't speak well of him either.

[Edited by - Rich on 01-03-2006 8:01 PM]
islesfan
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1/3/2006  8:27 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Bonn1997:

And people made it sound like Marbury had an awful contract! By this analysis, he's right in the middle of the pack among max contract players for productivity per dollar in salary.

technically he's below the middle, according to this thing he earns his contract as much as rasho nesterovic does, but who knows how accurate this thing is, I dont even know how they came up with those numbers

Neither does Bonn but that's not going to stop him from pretending like it means something.

I put the "By this analysis" qualification precisely because I knew nothing about the validity of the analysis. It wasn't a very serious comment. I didn't think anyone was taking anything in this thread seriously since we know nothing about the analysis.

When do you not put a qualification?

Um, I guess on those occasions when I believe there's nothing that deserves to be qualified. That was a brilliant question Isles.

It was a R H E T O R I C A L question.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Bonn1997
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1/3/2006  8:29 PM
and a brilliant one indeed
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1/3/2006  9:01 PM
I'll tell you one thing.I think this thing is pretty stupid. Jason Kidd and J Oneal are super low and most teams would have no problem paying their salaries, but it is hard to argue with these last 6:


94 Toronto Raptors Jalen Rose 61 15.6
95 New York Knicks Maurice Taylor 52 9.1
96 New York Knicks Antonio Davis 50 13.8
97 Portland Trail Blazers Theo Ratliff 40 11.6
98 Dallas Mavericks Keith Van Horn 38 15.6
99 New York Knicks Anfernee Hardaway 31 15.7
100 Chicago Bulls Tim Thomas 29 13.9


Tim Thomas dead last. How perfect is that? He's worse than Penny!!!! LOL!!

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 01-03-2006 9:03 PM]
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1/3/2006  9:08 PM
100 Chicago Bulls Tim Thomas

awesome
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1/3/2006  9:24 PM
I also am unsure of the methodology here, but I find it kind of funny that 5 of the bottom 6 players and 6 of the bottom 16 have played or are currently on the Knicks roster in the past 3 years...

Van Horn
Rose
Penny
Taylor
Thomas
Davis

[Edited by - PresIke on 01-03-2006 9:24 PM]
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
jaydh
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1/3/2006  9:39 PM
Posted by Rich:

Dolan keeps hiring GMs who are profligate spenders, which doesn't speak well of him either.

[Edited by - Rich on 01-03-2006 8:01 PM]

dolan obviously Oks the trades though. If he didnt want to spend, he would say so.
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