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djsunyc
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12/31/2005  12:32 AM
Marbury went out of his way Thursday to express his desire to remain in New York, but lately, he hasn't looked excited about playing for Brown. The coach said he's talked to Marbury in the past about the importance of showing a more positive demeanor.

"When things are going bad, we've got to have him with good body language," Brown said. "He's your leader, arguably your best player. We've got a young team. They look up to somebody like him. If he doesn't show positive vibes these guys, it's not going to help them. But he always tells me, 'No, Coach, I'm involved. I'm not getting down.'

"But sometimes I think you've just got to show them that. Again, that's not his nature, but it would be helpful."
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12/31/2005  12:37 AM
I think sports writers definitely read into Marbury's body language.
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12/31/2005  12:42 AM
In the context of Stephon and his towels maybe it is not so important, but body language itself is extremely important.

We're all communicating with our bodies all the time wheter we're aware of it or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_language

[Edited by - BASKETBALLJONES on 12-31-2005 12:44 AM]
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12/31/2005  1:12 AM
The defense of Marbury's gloom is amazing.

He needed to be coached by the PR department on how to answer questions after Weds game, and he needed to issue a statement to the press today to let the fans of NY know he still wants to be on the team!!!

That's beyond bad.

And since it's not clear he even talks to Brown or his teammates that statement may very well have been for their edification too!!!!

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 12-31-2005 01:51 AM]
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12/31/2005  2:54 AM
his body language is horrible and its VERY important it is the sole reason he went form my favorite player in the whole league to a real dissapointing leader of sarrow on this ****ty team... but where did larry say that????? thats the most impressive quote from brown all year if he said that.. i woudl like to hear him get on steph more about that
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12/31/2005  3:24 AM
I hope this thread gets deleted.
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12/31/2005  9:41 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

Marbury went out of his way Thursday to express his desire to remain in New York, but lately, he hasn't looked excited about playing for Brown. The coach said he's talked to Marbury in the past about the importance of showing a more positive demeanor.

"When things are going bad, we've got to have him with good body language," Brown said. "He's your leader, arguably your best player. We've got a young team. They look up to somebody like him. If he doesn't show positive vibes these guys, it's not going to help them. But he always tells me, 'No, Coach, I'm involved. I'm not getting down.'

"But sometimes I think you've just got to show them that. Again, that's not his nature, but it would be helpful."


you can always find something negative to say about marbs even after the great game he had. how about your golden child(JC)? he sure choked at the end of this one.
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12/31/2005  11:22 AM
nope, this has nothing to do with last night's game - this is for everyone who said "i don't care about body language"

if the head coach points it out, then it kinda does matter.
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12/31/2005  11:45 AM
Brought it up? It sounds like one of those things where the media guys kept asking him and he finally answered. I'm pretty sure that while Larry cares, it's not at the top of his priority list. Again, Stephon is not gonna change his expression. It's ice. It's who he is. Accept it. It's the SAME exact way with Allan. He had a depressed look on his face a good portion of the time, even though he wasn't and he walked around like he didn't want to be there, but he did want to, and it's the same with Marbury, b/c while they are and both were on the court, they played their butts off. Why people say he doesn't play hard and has no heart is beyond my imagination.

I am going to say this again, I am not a friggin' Marbury lover. But I am a supporter of players who go through this type of **** and don't deserve it. He had a freaking great game last night and one bad play at the end. Go and criticize him for the play but mention how he was a beast as well. All of this Marbury bashing is getting sad and thoughtless.
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12/31/2005  12:04 PM
Clyde never expressed emotion.

Then again, he had the phat orange Pumas.
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12/31/2005  12:11 PM
well Steph did play his butt off lastnight. problem is where was he the 1st 27 games or so? If we play like we did lastnight consistently I'll be satisfied. Even if we lose, thats the effort they need every night
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12/31/2005  12:20 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Brought it up? It sounds like one of those things where the media guys kept asking him and he finally answered. I'm pretty sure that while Larry cares, it's not at the top of his priority list. Again, Stephon is not gonna change his expression. It's ice. It's who he is. Accept it. It's the SAME exact way with Allan. He had a depressed look on his face a good portion of the time, even though he wasn't and he walked around like he didn't want to be there, but he did want to, and it's the same with Marbury, b/c while they are and both were on the court, they played their butts off. Why people say he doesn't play hard and has no heart is beyond my imagination.

I am going to say this again, I am not a friggin' Marbury lover. But I am a supporter of players who go through this type of **** and don't deserve it. He had a freaking great game last night and one bad play at the end. Go and criticize him for the play but mention how he was a beast as well. All of this Marbury bashing is getting sad and thoughtless.

a blind man can see marbury had a really good game last night. it just goes to show you that if he brings it everynight, he's a freak'n good player. orlando, he didn't. now let's see the next few home games. he still hasn't shown that he's smart enough towards the end of games despite his #'s. hopefully that comes. i'm actually cheering for steph and want him to succeed but i like to keep pointing out his glaring weaknesses b/c i hate the fact that our pg makes that much money, is our best scorer, and can't lead.
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12/31/2005  12:59 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

... Stephon is not gonna change his expression. It's ice. It's who he is. Accept it. It's the SAME exact way with Allan...

I am going to say this again, I am not a friggin' Marbury lover. But I am a supporter of players who go through this type of **** and don't deserve it...

Allan's face may have been stone but he didn't slump his shoulders and plod off the court looking beaten. Allan never glared at his PGs for bad passes. Allan was never accused of being a fuss pot with coaches or teammates. Allan was neutral, where Steph is a downer.

Forget facial expressions and body language, people simply have to understand that Steph's ENTIRE PERSONA has been a large part of his downfall throughout his career.

The entire Nets franchise blew a collective sigh of relief when 'all alone' got shipped.

D'Antonio and Colangelo gave up on Steph just months after his most notable performance ever (against the Spurs) and after rewarding him with an enormous contractual reward. At the time Steph was still widely regarded as possibly the best player on the young team with a bright future. They dumped him for 'garbage'.

Now, in NYC, I'm not the only one who suspects that our historically abominable record since his 'I'm the best' is NOT a coincidence. After all, we were 16-13 before it. Obviously, just uttering those words does not create a tailspin, but alienated teammates who leave your butt to hang to dry does. Abysmal team chemistry, questioned agendas, and guys who don't mind to be traded does.

Now we have a somewhat new cast stuck in the well predicted maelstrom between a team oriented coach and a self oriented 'star', who's persona has management and fans wondering if Steph even wants to be here, and if he's willing to sabotage the team for his own self imposed 'needs'. All this coincides with continued under-achievement marked by the worst record in the league.

The apologists will blame Steph's years of under-achievement on injuries and youth, but none of that explains his history of discontent and discord among players, coaches and GMs, which is reflected in his premature journeyman status. I mean people can say fans treat him unfairly, but he may have already worked himself onto borrowed time even here, where no player in the league had a more favorable relationship with his GM.

Larry's comments were made to help Steph help the team - as was Isiah's exhortation that he 'walk like a man'. If Steph cares about his legacy and about this team he'll take it to heart.



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12/31/2005  1:18 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Clyde never expressed emotion.

Then again, he had the phat orange Pumas.


Clyde is EXACTLY who Steph should be studying.

He was a scoring PG who allowed himself to play pass-first for the good of the team. He's said many times that both he and Reed willfully sacrificed their scoring for the good of the team. He was much like Billips in that he was not gifted with the eyes of Kidd, Stockton or Magic, but he made sound passes with good decision making,

Even though Clyde led the team in scoring in their '73 championship season he considered himself a defender first, a playmaker second, and a scorer last. He was also a large part of a team experts consider to be one of the best examples of teamwork and chemistry the sport has ever known- and on-court and off.

And while his persona may not have been rah-rah there was never doubt about his team orientation, floor stewardship, IQ, or coolness under fire.

Clyde led on both ends of the court, and teammates NEVER had to worry about his face, his commitment, or what side of the fence he was on.
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12/31/2005  1:26 PM
great posts blue...you make my life a lot easier. I agree 100%
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12/31/2005  2:44 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:

Clyde never expressed emotion.

Then again, he had the phat orange Pumas.


Clyde is EXACTLY who Steph should be studying.

He was a scoring PG who allowed himself to play pass-first for the good of the team. He's said many times that both he and Reed willfully sacrificed their scoring for the good of the team. He was much like Billips in that he was not gifted with the eyes of Kidd, Stockton or Magic, but he made sound passes with good decision making,

Even though Clyde led the team in scoring in their '73 championship season he considered himself a defender first, a playmaker second, and a scorer last. He was also a large part of a team experts consider to be one of the best examples of teamwork and chemistry the sport has ever known- and on-court and off.

And while his persona may not have been rah-rah there was never doubt about his team orientation, floor stewardship, IQ, or coolness under fire.

Clyde led on both ends of the court, and teammates NEVER had to worry about his face, his commitment, or what side of the fence he was on.

Nice post, I don't know much abot Clyde. but what I do know is that Clyde was not the leader of that team. I know that because he says it himself on numerous occasions. He said Willis Reed was the regulator and would put guys in their place, no one wanted a problem with him. He said Willis Reed was the vocal leader of the team, the enforcer, etc. So i think on the leadership front he may not be able to emulate him. But if everything else you say is accurate, hes a great role model.
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12/31/2005  2:49 PM
new york was the BEST situation that steph has ever been in. he had isiah and clyde, right there in front of him EVERY SINGLE DAY to talk to about the pg spot. he then had a former PG coach in lenny. now he has larry brown. it's really all on steph and it's up to him to get his ship right, to the point where he's a LEGIT and SMART pg.
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12/31/2005  2:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

it's really all on steph and it's up to him to get his ship right, to the point where he's a LEGIT and SMART pg.
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12/31/2005  3:24 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

great posts blue...you make my life a lot easier. I agree 100%

you are younger than me and I was boern after 1973, so how in the hell could a post about Clyde's game be something you agree with 100%?
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12/31/2005  3:42 PM
Towels on his head I don't care about. Sitting down on the bench moping I don't care about. But when he is on the court. He needs to provide constant energy and excitment which is he very cappable. Even if he needs to do a little razzle dazzle here and there to show it like Crawford does sometimes. Then thats what he needs to do. Also on the defensive end just show focus and aggressiveness. If he were to do those things. Then it would make the talk about him sulking on the bench look petty. But if he isn't going to do that then its going to make all that other stuff look bigger than it is.

I remember I use to question if Houston cared about expanding his game or if he was satisfied with where he was at after he signed that contract. And the fact that he was a 90%ft shooter but didn't draw a lot of fouls. He rarley ever showed that type of emotion other then when he hit the game winner vs the Heat. But I was wrong for questioning his desire.
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