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fishmike
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12/29/2005  7:28 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/phil_taylor/12/28/hot.button/

Larry Brown is stealing money. Not literally, of course. Brown, the New York Knicks' first-year coach, is merely accepting the King Kong-sized paychecks that the team agreed -- foolishly, it now appears -- to give him once he wiggled his way out of the Detroit Pistons job last summer and signed a five-year deal for a reported $50 million with New York. But the only thing swelling as quickly as Brown's bank account is the Knicks' loss total. They have dropped 20 of their first 27 games and they actually seem to be getting worse, which is why every direct deposit Brown receives from the Knicks is an absolute heist.

We see high-priced athletes flop all the time, but rarely -- no, never -- have we seen a coach being paid as much and performing as poorly. No one expected Brown to turn the Knicks into the Pistons overnight; competing for the last playoff spot would have been a reasonable goal. But New York owner James Dolan surely didn't expect 7-20, either. He's not paying Brown $10 million a year for 7-20. He could have gotten that from former coach Herb Williams for about $9 million less.

It's not just that the Knicks are losing, it's how they are losing -- with Brown changing the starting lineup almost nightly and elevating and demoting players from game to game with no apparent rhyme or reason. Brown started Matt Barnes at small forward on opening night, then cut Barnes before the season was 20 games old, replacing him with free agent pickup Qyntel Woods, who was quickly inserted -- briefly, of course, into the starting lineup. Center Jerome James started and played his best game of the season against Seattle, then didn't play at all in the next game, against the Clippers.

It's no wonder the Knicks have been wildly unpredictable and disjointed, because they have no consistent rotation of players. The way Brown is yo-yoing guys in and out of the lineup, you would think he was trying to sabotage the team, not improve it. Granted, he needed time to evaluate players, but that's what training camp is for. After one-third of the season he ought to know what his best team is.

But that's just the problem. Brown has always been a coach who changes his mind as often as most people change their socks. Given free rein by team president Isiah Thomas, some of Brown's worst tendencies have come to the fore -- focusing on his own players' shortcomings instead of their strengths, and falling in love with every roster other than his own. Brown has sung the praises of such nondescript players as Brevin Knight, Earl Watson and Eric Snow, for instance, while acting as though his own point guard, Stephon Marbury, a wonderfully gifted (although flawed) player, is a burden to be endured instead of a talent to be exploited.

The Brown-Marbury relationship is symbolic of Brown's misguided approach. Like Marbury, the Knicks are a team with obvious weaknesses, a team whose production doesn't match its paycheck. But like Marbury, the Knicks are also a much more talented team than Brown gives them credit for. They have one of the few legitimate centers in the league -- Eddy Curry. They have a crop of young, talented, athletic players in Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, Trevor Ariza and the mysteriously forgotten David Lee. They have explosive, natural scorers in Marbury and Jamal Crawford. They have veteran players who are willing to do the dirty work in Antonio Davis and Malik Rose.

That may not be enough to make the Pistons and Spurs tremble, but it's enough to do better than 7-20. A coach who has been anointed as the league's best ought to be able to make a competitive team out of that material.

Brown continually laments that the Knicks are a flawed team. Hello? Larry? We knew that. The Knicks brass expected you to find a way to minimize the flaws, accentuate the strengths and give them something better than 7-20. That's what the $10 million per year is all about. Didn't they mention that to you?


So far, the fans' boos at Madison Square Garden have been aimed more at the players, especially Marbury, than at Brown. But maybe the Knicks fans shouldn't bother to boo Brown at all. Considering the way their high-priced coach is stealing money with his utterly awful performance, they should probably call the cops.
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Nalod
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12/29/2005  7:39 AM

Phil Taylor is a freaking genius!

If money was the only measurement vs. wins,, then we'd be a miserable failure.

Im not saying our high payroll is not embarassing or irrelevent, but thats such an old gig its tired!

Why not "larrys got the balls to do the unconventional and not pander to writers or the shortsighted fans who crave victories. He has the balls to do what is right long term and that means pain and suffering for all".

Want to tell me somthing new, tell exactly what Larry is doing from a technical point of view and give me some unobvious insight!

Tell me we got few wins for the money, that I can deduct myself!
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12/29/2005  7:53 AM
That's the problem its all obvious. Play to the strength of your players, pick a rotation of players and stick with it.

Phil Taylor is a freaking genius!
If money was the only measurement vs. wins,, then we'd be a miserable failure.

Im not saying our high payroll is not embarassing or irrelevent, but thats such an old gig its tired!

Why not "larrys got the balls to do the unconventional and not pander to writers or the shortsighted fans who crave victories. He has the balls to do what is right long term and that means pain and suffering for all".

Want to tell me somthing new, tell exactly what Larry is doing from a technical point of view and give me some unobvious insight!

Tell me we got few wins for the money, that I can deduct myself!
Bring back dee-fense
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12/29/2005  8:56 AM
Posted by JesseDark:

That's the problem its all obvious. Play to the strength of your players, pick a rotation of players and stick with it.

Phil Taylor is a freaking genius!
If money was the only measurement vs. wins,, then we'd be a miserable failure.

Im not saying our high payroll is not embarassing or irrelevent, but thats such an old gig its tired!

Why not "larrys got the balls to do the unconventional and not pander to writers or the shortsighted fans who crave victories. He has the balls to do what is right long term and that means pain and suffering for all".

Want to tell me somthing new, tell exactly what Larry is doing from a technical point of view and give me some unobvious insight!

Tell me we got few wins for the money, that I can deduct myself!


Compete for the 8th seed at the cost of teaching your players to play the right way.
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12/29/2005  8:58 AM
He is right about the talent level. This is not a bad team, its just not coached right and its making everything look worse then it really is.

I am beginning to think the Detroit Championship was more the players then the coach...that and the Lakers were a mess that year psychologically. I like Larry, I respect him, but to me he has shown that he is overrated. If you cant make the talent level on this team do better then 7-20 then something is wrong with you.
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12/29/2005  9:02 AM
The writers know his track record. They know this happens everywhere. But they know that Knick fans see blood and want blood. They know if they write this stuff you will read more of it and improve their name recognition. These articles are pointless.
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12/29/2005  9:07 AM
I'm all for letting Brown experiment- I just don't see the point in taking players like Lee or Frye that bring something to the table and play them or not depending on the day of the week.

One day you say Channing deserves to start, the next you've got AD & Malik out there and Channing buried.

we aren't winning anything this year- put the rookies out there & let them make mistakes- because they can learn from them.

I'm tired of watching Malik through up air balls or balls out of bounds- he's making mistakes because he's just not good! And never will be and is lucky he has a contract.

I never wanted brown, but thought, ok, he's a good, maybe he'll build a foundation.

If he makes it through this season without retiring/quitting, and next year we have a similar start- unlikely, yes- then what are the chances brown even sticks it to the end of year 2?
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12/29/2005  9:10 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by JesseDark:

That's the problem its all obvious. Play to the strength of your players, pick a rotation of players and stick with it.

Phil Taylor is a freaking genius!
If money was the only measurement vs. wins,, then we'd be a miserable failure.

Im not saying our high payroll is not embarassing or irrelevent, but thats such an old gig its tired!

Why not "larrys got the balls to do the unconventional and not pander to writers or the shortsighted fans who crave victories. He has the balls to do what is right long term and that means pain and suffering for all".

Want to tell me somthing new, tell exactly what Larry is doing from a technical point of view and give me some unobvious insight!

Tell me we got few wins for the money, that I can deduct myself!


Compete for the 8th seed at the cost of teaching your players to play the right way.


What is David Lee learning by sitting on the bench, watching Malik Rose & AD stink it up?

He's learning that when he gets old, he'll probably move slow as molasses and need to have a good contract before then if he wants to live the good life.

Channing is learning that you can have good skills, but if the coach doesn't run plays for you, its hard to score.

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12/29/2005  9:14 AM
Posted by OasisBU:

He is right about the talent level. This is not a bad team, its just not coached right and its making everything look worse then it really is.

I am beginning to think the Detroit Championship was more the players then the coach...that and the Lakers were a mess that year psychologically. I like Larry, I respect him, but to me he has shown that he is overrated. If you cant make the talent level on this team do better then 7-20 then something is wrong with you.

Ooh, I disagree with you here. Where did the Pistons go with Carlisle the year before? And the year after the title Larry took them to within a half-quarter of beating San Antonio for the title again, a team that wasn't a psychological mess. Detroit looks good now but Flip has no background as a playoff coach - let's all see what happens at the end of the season.
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12/29/2005  9:37 AM
God this guy said it all. Good article. I'd like my job to conform to what I envision too, but I have to actually work.. Larry Brown needs to start doing the same. Use what you have you old bastid.
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12/29/2005  9:40 AM
I could have written that article too, for free, someone should really tell sports illustrated that.
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12/29/2005  9:44 AM
Why is it that Flip Saunders comes to Detroit implements an entirely new system and the players pick it up within days. Because LB tought them a foundation and once you pick up a foundation basketball is basketball. You can plug your style into any system.

But our guys have no foundation. They still outlet the ball to PF's on the fastbreak. They still get caught in the paint standing there watching the ball as there guy drifts out to the three point line. NO matter how much you want guys to play you cannot give them minutes until they learn these basic basketball principals that they should have learned in high school.

You will have to be patient. And when this team starts to play better you can pretend you were behind LB all the time
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12/29/2005  9:46 AM
I don think teaching the players to play the right way and playing to win are mutally exclusive. This isn't summer league or the developmental league. There is enough talent here to have a better record than this.
Like Herman Edwards famously said, "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME".
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Originally posted by JesseDark:

That's the problem its all obvious. Play to the strength of your players, pick a rotation of players and stick with it.

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Phil Taylor is a freaking genius!
If money was the only measurement vs. wins,, then we'd be a miserable failure.
Im not saying our high payroll is not embarassing or irrelevent, but thats such an old gig its tired!

Why not "larrys got the balls to do the unconventional and not pander to writers or the shortsighted fans who crave victories. He has the balls to do what is right long term and that means pain and suffering for all".

Want to tell me somthing new, tell exactly what Larry is doing from a technical point of view and give me some unobvious insight!

Tell me we got few wins for the money, that I can deduct myself!



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12/29/2005  9:48 AM
50 games from now I don't want to see Ariza outletting the ball to Antonio Davis on the fastbreak. 50 games from now I don't want to see David Lee with his head down on a free throw not realizing that it is the shooters last free throw. 50 games from now I don't want Marbury still trying to figure out when to dish and when to shoot. 50 games from now I don't want to see JCraw still pretending to fight through screens. 50 games from now I don't want to see Eddie Curry trying to fight his way to a lay-up when he is quintuple teamed. All these guys have been yanked from line-ups for these things. LB will not compromise so that we can brag about 40 wins. Stick to the system that works and let all us people that would be laughed out of a coaching interview sit back and overanalyze and pretend we know it all.

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12/29/2005  9:50 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by OasisBU:

He is right about the talent level. This is not a bad team, its just not coached right and its making everything look worse then it really is.

I am beginning to think the Detroit Championship was more the players then the coach...that and the Lakers were a mess that year psychologically. I like Larry, I respect him, but to me he has shown that he is overrated. If you cant make the talent level on this team do better then 7-20 then something is wrong with you.

Ooh, I disagree with you here. Where did the Pistons go with Carlisle the year before? And the year after the title Larry took them to within a half-quarter of beating San Antonio for the title again, a team that wasn't a psychological mess. Detroit looks good now but Flip has no background as a playoff coach - let's all see what happens at the end of the season.
They also signed Rasheed Wallace, and had Tayshaun Prince was a 2nd year player coming into his own.

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12/29/2005  9:54 AM
I said LB was overrated in the offseason and caught hell. He shouldn't be up there with Riley and Phil Jackson, but alongside Rick Adelman, Jerry Sloan and George Karl. He has won one championship. Look at his career playoff record. Bird did better than him with the same team when he took over after Brown's Pacers quit on him. He takes the joy out of the game. He wants the credit for winning and no blame for losing. It's all about him. Don't let the "I love you guys" and the "making the kids better" act fool you. Hubie Brown turned around the Grizzlies in two years. George Karl came in and turned around the Nuggets last year. Immediately. So if you want to give him a pass this year, I expect 50+ next year for ten million a year. If not he will be stealing money, just like Penny and TT are accused of. Perform already.
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12/29/2005  9:55 AM
Posted by OasisBU:

He is right about the talent level. This is not a bad team, its just not coached right and its making everything look worse then it really is.

I am beginning to think the Detroit Championship was more the players then the coach...that and the Lakers were a mess that year psychologically. I like Larry, I respect him, but to me he has shown that he is overrated. If you cant make the talent level on this team do better then 7-20 then something is wrong with you.

Riles won because of the lakers team? Or riles?

Jax won with two stars and 10 role players?

Red Auerbach had great players.

Thing is, Great teams are made by the coaches. Rashweed is not enough to win a championship. Two trips to the finals takes a lot of grit. Pistons didn't just walk to the finals, they played some tough series!

Great coaches make their players look great! Carlisle in two years in Indy did not do all that great. Sure there are reasons. There are always reasons!

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12/29/2005  9:56 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by OasisBU:

He is right about the talent level. This is not a bad team, its just not coached right and its making everything look worse then it really is.

I am beginning to think the Detroit Championship was more the players then the coach...that and the Lakers were a mess that year psychologically. I like Larry, I respect him, but to me he has shown that he is overrated. If you cant make the talent level on this team do better then 7-20 then something is wrong with you.

Ooh, I disagree with you here. Where did the Pistons go with Carlisle the year before? And the year after the title Larry took them to within a half-quarter of beating San Antonio for the title again, a team that wasn't a psychological mess. Detroit looks good now but Flip has no background as a playoff coach - let's all see what happens at the end of the season.
They also signed Rasheed Wallace, and had Tayshaun Prince was a 2nd year player coming into his own.

True about Rasheed, though he was heavily damaged goods coming out of Portland and there was no guarentee he was going to fit in well in Detroit. And Tayshaun actually came into his own in the playoffs the year before under Carlisle. Rick was definitely smart enough to ride him during that playoff run.
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12/29/2005  9:58 AM
Carlisle could have won a championship with that team also. Granted, Rasheed probably only came to Detroit because of LB and the North Carolina connection. Let's not forget that Carlisle's Pistons, without Rasheed, beat a favored 76ers Brown team that last year of Carlisle's with the Pistons.
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12/29/2005  10:00 AM
Losing Artest for the season and Jerome O'Neal for 20 odd games is a little more than an excuse I would say! I think Carlisle gets a pass last year. It's amazing he got them to the playoffs at all. They could have mailed in the rest of the season.
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