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OngBok
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12/26/2005  11:50 AM

Gordon trade adds up for BullsBY SAM SMITHChicago TribuneCHICAGO - All I want for Christmas is someone who can get a rebound, defend an opponent with size and take pressure off the guards?
Yes, this is the time for all those corny sports wish lists, but this one could rescue the Bulls from what looks like six months of mediocrity. Granted, this was supposed to be the Bulls' fall-back season before next summer's free-agent bounty, so the question is whether the Bulls should even try to do something to become more competitive - or whether it's even possible.
And whether what seemed impossible a few months ago should occur: Trade Ben Gordon.
Even given my unofficial title as shadow general manager, I'm not sure any move would make sense now. It's hard to see where this Bulls team could go with one trade. Since division winners get the top seeds, there seems little chance the Bulls could get a first-round playoff bye, so why panic for a likely opening-round playoff ouster?
But this mini-guard thing is getting old and seems to be breaking down. And the odd man out might well be Gordon. Not because he has played poorly, but because he is valuable and still has considerable value around the NBA after being the first rookie ever to win Sixth Man of the Year.
There is little question Gordon, despite not saying much, believes he's a starting player. That's a bigger issue than most believe with young players.
Listen to the Celtics' Paul Pierce: "I remember my first couple of years, I was playing for my next contract. Even though I wanted to win games, you're playing for your NBA livelihood. Your first two or three years are your most important. I think they think about winning, but at the same time they want to play well and be the best individual that you can be."
Though it won't become an issue for at least a year, another problem with a youth movement is that most players come up for contracts at about the same time, meaning the Bulls could be looking at almost simultaneous demands from Gordon, Kirk Hinrich, Luol Deng, Chris Duhon and Andres Nocioni. You can't pay them all.
There have been rumors all season, denied by Gordon, that he would like to be traded. It may not be a bad time to think about it if the Bulls can find a piece that fits for the future.
The Bulls continue to play hard and it's impressive to watch the relentlessness of their style. But the size issue that they and everyone else talked about to open the season appears to be having a cumulative effect. There's really nothing wrong with playing the season out and taking the one or two lottery picks and salary-cap room and making moves. No one was predicting a championship this season.
But it may come time soon to get Hinrich to a full-time point guard position where he'll play in the future for the Bulls and get Duhon back coming off the bench where he fits best with erratic shooting. Maybe use Deng some in the backcourt and find a power forward. Jannero Pargo isn't as talented as Gordon, but he can score in bunches like Gordon does. Gordon is quite a luxury as a sixth man.
Maybe put a deal together with the Clippers for Chris Wilcox. The athletic power forward has little place with Elton Brand and Chris Kamen both getting at least 20 rebounds in the same game last week against Charlotte. It was the first time since Willis Reed and Dave DeBusschere did it in 1970 that teammates had a 30/20 and 20/20.
The Bulls have eyed Denver's Nene, who will be a free agent they can pursue after this season. He's not playing after knee surgery. Unrestricted free agents will include Minnesota's Michael Olowokandi, who last week said after a loss to Portland: "Perhaps if someone in a position of authority (coach Dwane Casey?) would have said something (about foul calls). I saw Nate McMillan, on their side, stand up to the refs."
Another major free-agent center (yes, this could be a bad summer to recoup) is Portland's Joel Przybilla. Other so called "bigs" probably available include: Charlotte's Melvin Ely; Houston's Stromile Swift; replaced after halftime as a starter last week by Lonny Baxter (yes, that Lonny Baxter); Milwaukee's Dan Gadzuric; the 76ers' Steven Hunter, who fell behind rookie free agent Shavlik Randolph in the rotation; Seattle's Vitaly Potopenko ; San Antonio's Rasho Nesterovic; Boston's Mark Blount; and the Hornets' Chris Andersen.
Right, not much there. Perhaps the Bulls could make a run at Seattle's Nick Collison, who went back to a reserve role.
Maybe go after a big perimeter player who can play defense, though why are so many of those guys nuts? Like Latrell Sprewell and Ruben Patterson. Maybe someone like Philadelphia's John Salmons, who let a little secret out last week when he basically said the substitute teacher is coaching. Salmons said players were snickering about his shot selection on the bench in a loss. Maurice Cheeks is a wonderful man, but with little defense and incidents like Chris Webber recently loudly telling an assistant to ask his permission before he is substituted for, it seems there's little discipline in Philadelphia.
"This is not how a team should be. It's been like this for a while," Salmons said.
It's no secret around the NBA that Pierce can be had. You don't need a 7-footer to command a double team. Though I'm not a big fan, Pierce can score and take over quarters. At some point, the Bulls probably need to get a scoring star to make any significant move.
Perhaps Matt Harpring, who seems to be breaking down and is more of a small forward. It might be worth a run at the Hornets' Desmond Mason, who hasn't quite fit in after the trade from Milwaukee.
If Al Harrington doesn't go in a Ron Artest three-way deal, it seems like the Bulls can get him if they want as the Hawks are shopping for a first-round pick and the Bulls have two. I'd try to pry away Mickel Pietrus from Golden State, although they likely would want you to take Mike Dunleavy, recently overpaid and probably untradable.
The Bulls may have to just sit back and do the best they can with what they have for now.
Hill for taking?
Here's an interesting thought for a team like the Bulls: Trade for Grant Hill. The Magic guard is back from his hernia surgery and playing well, though Orlando has lost four in a row.
With Hill's contract ending after next season, one wonders whether the financially ailing Magic would take a No. 1 pick and someone like Tim Thomas to save about $16 million next season as the team looks like it needs to rebuild around Dwight Howard. The word in Orlando is there is a lot of internal griping about shots among the players. One can see the classy Hill quietly asking to finish his career where he may have a better chance to succeed. ... Who has Jan. 7 in the "When does Tracy McGrady leave with injury pool?" When Yao Ming went out for what will be at least two months, McGrady said, "As long as I'm in that uniform and out on the court, we'll be fine." McGrady then shot 6-for-16, 2-for-11 and 4-for-17. "The season is slipping away right now," Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy said.
Friday was the 15th anniversary of what may be the most unbreakable NBA record, Scott Skiles' 30 assists when Orlando beat Denver, 155-116. It's unlikely that mark can be challenged unless Paul Westhead, then the anti-defense coach of the Nuggets, comes back.
An offense to defense
Dirk Nowitzki was offended by Kobe Bryant's 62 points against the Magic:
"I guess. That's what American sports are_a one-man show."
Of course, Bryant might not have had such success if Nowitzki actually ever defended someone. It became clear no one in the NBA is treated more harshly than Bryant when ESPN hosts Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann spent considerable time blaming Bryant for not asking to stay in the game and go for 80 or 90 points. Bryant became the 19th different player to score at least 60 in a game. The feat has been accomplished 55 times, with Chamberlain doing it 32 times. That's what you call most dominant.
The Jazz is worrying some over Deron Williams, an alleged point guard, who has led the team in shots 11 times with the team 1-10 in those games. . . . He can be ungrateful, like the way he walked out on the Nets and the Raptors, but Alonzo Mourning has been remarkable playing like every game is his last. And it could be. Last week was the two-year anniversary of when the NBA said goodbye to Mourning after a kidney transplant. He leads the NBA in blocks and is third in shooting.
Final shots
The excuse of the week came from Nuggets coach George Karl, who said after a loss to Washington that returning to the high elevation of Denver after a road trip is difficult. . . . The Clippers' fall as the league's top defense against shooting coincided with the return of Shaun Livingston, who seems almost afraid to defend. . . . Asking players about their favorite Christmas memory, the Washington Times got this remarkable and open admission from the Wizards' Caron Butler about his release from a youth facility:
"Honestly, this is probably going to strike a nerve with a lot of people. But my most memorable Christmas memory was having all of my uncles and aunties out of prison for one Christmas, and that includes me. We had a lot of run-ins with the law, and to have us all out at one time was great."
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12/26/2005  12:02 PM
chris webber thinks that the assistant coaches should ask his permission before taking him out of a game? good lord whats going on over there
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12/26/2005  12:02 PM






Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Tim Thomas
6-10 SF from Villanova
4.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 10.3 minutes
Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
4.7 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 26.6 minutes
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG from Connecticut
13.8 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 27.1 minutes
Incoming
Antonio Davis
6-9 C from Texas-El Paso
4.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 22.9 minutes
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
7.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.1 minutes
Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
3.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.4 minutes
David Lee
6-9 PF from Florida
3.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.6 ppg, +3.1 rpg, and -1.3 apg.


New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Antonio Davis
6-9 C from Texas-El Paso
4.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 22.9 minutes
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
7.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.1 minutes
Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
3.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.4 minutes
David Lee
6-9 PF from Florida
3.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.9 minutes
Incoming
Tim Thomas
6-10 SF from Villanova
4.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 10.3 minutes
Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
4.7 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 26.6 minutes
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG from Connecticut
13.8 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 27.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: +3.6 ppg, -3.1 rpg, and +1.3 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Chicago and New York being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Chicago and New York had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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12/26/2005  12:09 PM
Why Chicago ?? The Bulls do it to get their leader back in AD, plus they can replace Gordon's scoring with Q and get rid of Chandler's bad contract for a guy that scores only 6 pts and 8 rebs ( Hell, JJ does that for us now playing less minutes ) with JJ in the middle. Besides they already have our lottery pick. lol....

Why NY ?? This would enable us to move Marbs anywhere we can.



New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
18.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 6.3 apg in 39.2 minutes
Incoming
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
19.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.6 apg in 37.0 minutes
Michael Olowokandi
7-0 C from Pacific
7.0 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 24.8 minutes
Richie Frahm
6-5 SG from Gonzaga
3.5 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 10.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: +11.6 ppg, +7.7 rpg, and -2.4 apg.


Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
19.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.6 apg in 37.0 minutes
Michael Olowokandi
7-0 C from Pacific
7.0 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 24.8 minutes
Richie Frahm
6-5 SG from Gonzaga
3.5 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 10.5 minutes
Incoming
Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
18.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 6.3 apg in 39.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -11.6 ppg, -7.7 rpg, and +2.4 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to New York and Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York and Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID
Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 2760500.

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12/26/2005  12:12 PM
C = CURRY
PF = FRYE
SF = WALLEY
SG = GORDON
PG = CRAW

BENCH

C = BUTLER
PF = CHANDLER
SF = THOMAS
SG = WOODS
PG = NATE
we can buy out all other unnecessary contracts that we have
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12/26/2005  12:31 PM
both of your trades suck. Please make a not of it.
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12/26/2005  12:35 PM
Is this article really stating that Gordon is on the trading block? It seems like some more Sam Smith garbage where he gives his opinion and makes it seem like its the truth. Sam Smith is an idiot.
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12/26/2005  12:38 PM
Ah. sam smith is a fool, but I said this before about Ben gordon, he is a great offensive weapon but is small and not a good defender, bulls fans were all in a hizzy when I said so... anyway, why do we need gordon?
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12/26/2005  1:03 PM
Why would Isiah keep putting his hand on the stove. He should have learned by now that he keeps getting burned when he deals with Chicago.

Chicago would never do that deal because they need front court help. JJ ain't helping nobody. By the way, Crawfor is not a point guard.

The most intriguing thing about that article is reading that Pierce is avaliable.
"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
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12/26/2005  3:46 PM
Posted by OngBok:

C = CURRY
PF = FRYE
SF = WALLEY
SG = GORDON
PG = CRAW

BENCH

C = BUTLER
PF = CHANDLER
SF = THOMAS
SG = WOODS
PG = NATE
we can buy out all other unnecessary contracts that we have

Looks like the bulls roster!
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12/26/2005  7:36 PM
lol.......lol.........lol
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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12/26/2005  7:38 PM
i dont want gordon on this team, the guy can score but doesnt play a lick of defense plus he's undersized for a 2
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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12/26/2005  8:07 PM
Why Chicago ?? The Bulls do it to get their leader back in AD, plus they can replace Gordon's scoring with Q and get rid of Chandler's bad contract for a guy that scores only 6 pts and 8 rebs ( Hell, JJ does that for us now playing less minutes ) with JJ in the middle. Besides they already have our lottery pick. lol....

Pure wishful thinking...Gordon is like Vinnie the Microwave, and the Bulls want Q, Antonio Davis, and Jerome James for him? So they trade us one good player (Weakness notwithstanding) for three at best average players? Why?

One thing I think we should all take into account when making trade scenarios: The GM's of other teams are not in the business of making the Knicks better! (And their own teams worse.)

I think the best way for the Knicks to improve rapidly is to dump as many bad contracts as possible and then sign a star in the off-season...too bad that is virtually impossible.

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[Edited by - oohah on 12-26-2005 8:08 PM]
Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
Ben Gordon is on the trade block

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