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bigbeast
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12/24/2005  12:15 PM
Kenny Smith said somehting interesting the other night. Said the league has caught up to him and are no longer leaving him open for those jumpers. Frye is intelligent enough to recognize this and I'm sure he'll try to deversify his game. Intelligent is one thing, but is he good enough to expand his game? Maybe maybe not. Maybe Frye is a little overhyped at this point. If thats the case, should the Knicks look to move him while he's still hot and before is slump is prolonged and his value drops. When I say move him, I don't mean move him just for the sake of trading him. I'm talking about trading him for players who already prove that there are keepers in this league. Players like Artest (indy will listen if we offer Frye) Bosh (Toronto wants to keep him but if Bosh makes it clear he's not resigning, they might listen) Lewis (opting out of his contract in seattle and Frye would cost them nothing)

What do you guys think?
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12/24/2005  12:21 PM
Hold up....so people get up on his jump shot in the last few games and it's time to trade the girl? Come come now. He has just a handful of games to prove that he is unable to adjust to this in the NBA and now it's time to look to trade him?

BTW, Bosh isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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12/24/2005  12:22 PM
I say keep Frye, it's too early on the season to do any drastic moves with the kids especially Frye he's still learning the NBA game and has so much potential it would be silly to unload him now, besides you never get rid of good young draft picks, since they come so cheaply and have a bigger upside then a jaded older player with a bloated salary who may or may not play up to his potential for what ever reason pop's into their fat heads.

Channing is a keeper, he is not going anywhere for a long time!.

I also think LB's is protecting Frye too muach he needs to let him play, even if he is in foul trouble, so what if he fouls out, it's part of the learning process, if Frye fouls out a couple of times, maybe he will learn a way to stay in the game the next time, he's a smart kid, he'll figure it out.

[Edited by - attaboy2005 on 12-24-2005 05:25 AM]
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12/24/2005  12:22 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Hold up....so people get up on his jump shot in the last few games and it's time to trade the GIRL?

Pardon me, a bad chick came on my tv screen at the same time I was typing

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12/24/2005  12:24 PM
all rookies go through this, you even still see LeBron get holes pocked in his game. Frye compliments Curry too well for inside/outside. Unless you can get the likes of Bost almost straight up, I don't think you will see Frye moved.
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12/24/2005  12:24 PM
I'm saying we should trade him, just asking for opinions. Smith made a valid point and One of the NBA insiders from ESPN also said he thought Frye is a little overhyped at this point and didn't believe the knicks can or should build around him. I

[Edited by - bigbeast on 12-24-2005 12:25 PM]
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12/24/2005  12:30 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

I'm saying we should trade him, just asking for opinions. Smith made a valid point and One of the NBA insiders from ESPN also said he thought Frye is a little overhyped at this point and didn't believe the knicks can or should build around him. I

[Edited by - bigbeast on 12-24-2005 12:25 PM]

:) NBA Insider reporters are themselves overhyped, by themselves, for themselves. Overhyped. DARKO RULES.
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12/24/2005  12:30 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

I'm saying we should trade him, just asking for opinions. Smith made a valid point and One of the NBA insiders from ESPN also said he thought Frye is a little overhyped at this point and didn't believe the knicks can or should build around him. I

[Edited by - bigbeast on 12-24-2005 12:25 PM]

ESPN insider's are full of BS!.

What Smith said was that the difference between good young players was that they will learn the league, before the league will learn them and that is what Frye and the coaching staff are having to deal with at this time. Frye will be okay, he is a smart kid, he will along with the coaching staff will get learn how to deal with it.
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12/24/2005  12:47 PM
Frye needs to pull trhe trigger more often. He passes up alot of shots. And he needs to play in and around the paint more often. I have not changed my assessment of him one bit. He is the truth. Just needs to bring up the rebounding and defense. I'm far more concerned about J craw and Q than I am about him.
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12/24/2005  4:37 PM
He needs more PT.
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12/24/2005  4:46 PM
and less fouling.
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12/24/2005  5:00 PM
Well, my opin. is that I don't know if he can or can't add to his game. Adapt.

But trading him probly is a bad idea.


The thing is though..........Ron Artest was born to play in the Garden. If it took Frye to get Artest and maybe a minor piece, I'd roll the dice b/c to be perfectly honest with you, I don't like Frye and Curry together......not enough defense, not enough rebouding.
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12/24/2005  5:08 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Well, my opin. is that I don't know if he can or can't add to his game. Adapt.

But trading him probly is a bad idea.


The thing is though..........Ron Artest was born to play in the Garden. If it took Frye to get Artest and maybe a minor piece, I'd roll the dice b/c to be perfectly honest with you, I don't like Frye and Curry together......not enough defense, not enough rebouding.


Good point about the rebounds and defense. They do compliment each other on the offesive end though. Good high-low combo between the 2. Frye with the jumpers and Curry in the paint. They don't get in each others way offesively. Problem is, they don't get in the man they are guardings way either.
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12/24/2005  5:09 PM
No one I'd trade Frye for someone as unstable as Artest.
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12/24/2005  5:26 PM
Posted by Rich:

No one I'd trade Frye for someone as unstable as Artest.

I think I'd do it.

I just don't like having Frye and Curry together in the frontcourt.

Offense doesn't championships.

Defense does.

That.....or having the best player in the league.

We're probly not gonna have either the rate things are going.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/24/2005  5:35 PM
yeah that is the unfortunate problem with starting Curry and Frye. they've both weak defenders but we have anyone who can do a better job so there's no choice.
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12/24/2005  5:53 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

yeah that is the unfortunate problem with starting Curry and Frye. they've both weak defenders but we have anyone who can do a better job so there's no choice.

that's not an excuse...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/24/2005  5:56 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by gunsnewing:

yeah that is the unfortunate problem with starting Curry and Frye. they've both weak defenders but we have anyone who can do a better job so there's no choice.

that's not an excuse...


who do you want to start old man Antonio Davis? or do you want Isiah to bring in a big man who plays great defense and is a little younger? Because no one on this current roster is capable and Jerome is a foul machine

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-24-2005 5:57 PM]
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12/24/2005  5:59 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:



who do you want to start old man Antonio Davis? or do you want Isiah to bring in a big man who plays great defense and is a little younger? Because no one on this current roster is capable and Jerome is a foul machine

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-24-2005 5:57 PM]

I didn't say you were wrong.

I just said it's not an excuse.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/24/2005  6:01 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Rich:

No one I'd trade Frye for someone as unstable as Artest.

I think I'd do it.

I just don't like having Frye and Curry together in the frontcourt.

Offense doesn't championships.

Defense does.

That.....or having the best player in the league.

We're probly not gonna have either the rate things are going.

Artest is a ticking time bomb, you have to be just as crazy has he is to wanna include Frye in a trade for Artest, you don't trade an Assest like Frye for an unsure thing like Artest.
The only player I would even think about trading Frye and/or any of the other kids is for Lebron, and we all know that won't happen, so I would then stick with the kids and take my chances with developing Lee/Ariza or Qdog as our SF, until someone like Lewis comes along. The kids have a better upside mentally, physically and not to mention they are alot cheaper than guys like Artest.
Getting rid of bad contracts to shave the salary and developing the kids should be the main focus of this team, not taking anymore chances on player's like Artest or one's who have very bad contracts, I would unload Marbury if I had chance for expiring or two yr contracts and draft picks.
Let Artest infest some other team with his crazy ways!.

I also wanted to add that Curry hasn't been on the court long enough to gain any chemistry with any one including Frye, whether it's on defense or offense, and Frye is still learning he also gets some bad call against him or is put in bad position defensively because someone else( Rose) misses their defensive assignment and Frye is the last line of defense, Frye just tries to defend the basket even when he is not in a good position to make a clean block, so it results in a foul. This has happened many times, so I wouldn't fault Frye so much this whole team is lackadasical on defense which puts the pressure on someone else to do something.

[Edited by - attaboy2005 on 12-24-2005 11:07 AM]

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[Edited by - attaboy2005 on 12-24-2005 11:10 AM]
Is Frye being exposed?

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