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King1
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12/20/2005  4:58 PM
Unless you have a top 5 pick in the draft, most teams are built around draft picks. Look at the best teams, and they have maybe one player that was drafted and the other players through free agency and trades. IT drafted Frye which is a nice piece, and he got Curry and the jury is still out. This teams needs to get rid of the dead weight and it will take a few years. I think the Knicks has some pieces and they need time. One thing I figured out is New York fans can be a little impatient sometimes. Draft picks are such a crap shoot, and free agency you already know what the guy can do in the league.
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12/20/2005  6:15 PM
If you draft a guy like Arrujo or Milicic in the lottery, you really messed up (but obviously can still recover). If you wind up with "nothing other than Eddy Curry" from a lottery pick, you're fine. You have a 22 yr old kid with huge potential to work with.
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12/20/2005  6:17 PM
Because that's what Isiah does best: draft. When you don't have cap room, lottery picks are invaluable. Also, Isiah could have given up Lee instead.
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12/20/2005  6:21 PM
Also, Isiah could have given up Lee instead.
Talk is cheap. Show me the proof or don't expect me to take that seriously. And don't quote Briggs as your proof. I can quote Bugs Bunny as proof that Briggs is wrong.
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12/20/2005  6:24 PM
because we suck right now and no picks means that we won't be getting anymore Magic Fryes to save us.

I believe there's enough talent here to improve from within, but picks would be nice.
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12/20/2005  6:25 PM
Posted by King1:

Unless you have a top 5 pick in the draft, most teams are built around draft picks. Look at the best teams, and they have maybe one player that was drafted and the other players through free agency and trades. .

Also, the Spurs drafted Duncan, Manu and Parker. It's not the only way to build, but as Rich said, it's what Isiah is best at.

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12/20/2005  6:47 PM
this is a dumb thread... sure does look like we are heading to a top 5 pick right now. Sure does look like we could use a top 5 pick. A Carmello, Wade or Danny Granger.
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12/20/2005  7:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Also, Isiah could have given up Lee instead.
Talk is cheap. Show me the proof or don't expect me to take that seriously. And don't quote Briggs as your proof. I can quote Bugs Bunny as proof that Briggs is wrong.

Give you proof? Give me a break.
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12/20/2005  8:00 PM
Peace to everyone on the board. Im a first time posta. Isiah said the Knicks are rebuilding. Its hard to rebuild when you don't have any draft picks or money under the cap to sign top-notch free agents.

Don't why the pick wasn't lottery protected. Curry had Bulls over a barrell. They had to trade him and everyone knew it. Isiah was basically negotiating against himself because I believe he was the only team serioulsy vying for Curry's services.

Its a shame because the Knicks are looking like a top five lottery team right now. Rudy Gay is exactly what the knicks need to compliment Curry and Frye. His slashing, athletic style would fit perfect. But we don't have a pick.
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Posted by bigbeast:

Peace to everyone on the board. Im a first time posta. Isiah said the Knicks are rebuilding. Its hard to rebuild when you don't have any draft picks or money under the cap to sign top-notch free agents.

Don't why the pick wasn't lottery protected. Curry had Bulls over a barrell. They had to trade him and everyone knew it. Isiah was basically negotiating against himself because I believe he was the only team serioulsy vying for Curry's services.

Its a shame because the Knicks are looking like a top five lottery team right now. Rudy Gay is exactly what the knicks need to compliment Curry and Frye. His slashing, athletic style would fit perfect. But we don't have a pick.

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12/20/2005  8:06 PM
There he is no wade in the next draft, and Granger wont be a better pro than Eddie Curry. The kid is struggling right now ut you dont give up and see what happens. If Curry is a 18 point 8 rebound guy this isnt a bad trade.
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12/20/2005  8:06 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Also, Isiah could have given up Lee instead.
Talk is cheap. Show me the proof or don't expect me to take that seriously. And don't quote Briggs as your proof. I can quote Bugs Bunny as proof that Briggs is wrong.

I love the "show me proof" stuff with Isiah. With Layden everyone cried about him not making a trade for bosh on draft night. I have never read anywhere about raptors willing to trade that pick for spree and #8 but it's layden so he had to mess up.
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12/20/2005  8:12 PM
The other thing you need to remember that Davis and Thomas were involved in the trade. If Davis is traded for another player than you have to look at this trade different. Davis will get more in a trade than Thomas will.
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12/20/2005  9:33 PM
I love3 Denham Brown and Diaz from Miami I think you hit it on the head they need toughness and people that know how to play the game
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12/20/2005  10:15 PM
Posted by MX25:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Also, Isiah could have given up Lee instead.
Talk is cheap. Show me the proof or don't expect me to take that seriously. And don't quote Briggs as your proof. I can quote Bugs Bunny as proof that Briggs is wrong.

I love the "show me proof" stuff with Isiah. With Layden everyone cried about him not making a trade for bosh on draft night. I have never read anywhere about raptors willing to trade that pick for spree and #8 but it's layden so he had to mess up.
The idea the Bulls would be willing to give up the chance on two lottery picks of ours to get the 30th pick seems so far fetched that something other than "Briggs said so" is needed to convince me. I don't know what Bosh has to do with this.
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12/20/2005  11:30 PM
NYK included the two 2nd rd picks to keep David Lee. Bulls wanted Lee/NYK wanted to keep him. That was the compromise. The 2006 1st rd pick and right to swap in 2007 weren't the issue. That was REPORTED SEVERAL TIMES IN NUMEROUS PAPERS - 2nd rd picks instead of Lee. Don't give a f--- what someone imagines about NYK valuing Lee more than the picks cuz it isn't true. When someone just makes up crap I agree with somebody else calling them on it and saying "show me proof." I noticed no one showed any proof of it either. Cuz none exists. Don't know what Layden has to do with it either. There's no proof about the Lee nonsense so let's change the subject and talk about Layden.
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12/20/2005  11:45 PM
if it was lee over the 2nd roung picks in 07 abd 08 then I think keeping lee was the right move.
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12/20/2005  11:53 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

if it was lee over the 2nd roung picks in 07 abd 08 then I think keeping lee was the right move.

We don't really know what it was but that scenario certainly sounds much more plausible th an Rich's scenario.
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12/20/2005  11:58 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SlimPack:

if it was lee over the 2nd roung picks in 07 abd 08 then I think keeping lee was the right move.

We don't really know what it was but that scenario certainly sounds much more plausible th an Rich's scenario.

It's not my scenario, it's what was widely reported. None of us know what is discussed in negotiations. As a result, we rely on the MSM for information. When there is a consensus among the various news outlets, the information is usually correct.
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12/21/2005  12:04 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SlimPack:

if it was lee over the 2nd roung picks in 07 abd 08 then I think keeping lee was the right move.

We don't really know what it was but that scenario certainly sounds much more plausible th an Rich's scenario.

It's not my scenario, it's what was widely reported. None of us know what is discussed in negotiations. As a result, we rely on the MSM for information. When there is a consensus among the various news outlets, the information is usually correct.
There's hardly any consensus here. SlimPack's claim was very widely reported, though. It comes off as very gullible when you don't even qualify your post and just state it as fact that Isiah kept Lee to avoid lottery protection on multiple picks.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-21-2005 12:05 AM]
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