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purple012870
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12/20/2005  1:02 PM
Like all Knick fans, I was excited about this acquisition. But I have quickly soured on him.

-The heart thing is something the Knicks brass accepted, so the majority of Knick fans did the same & wish the kid the best in this regard.

-The injury bug. Is it weight related? Probably, but weight has been an issue with him all but one year of his career & that was a FA year. Is this guy another Joe Barry Carroll, or as Vescey used to call him, Joe Barely Cares??? It certainly seems that he lacks a decent work ethic. Also, another result of not being fit is his inability to finish when fouled. The ball flies out of his hands like he's Demaar Johnson getting fouled.

-On the court play. He lacks focus. The 2 nightly offensive fouls are more often than not low basketball IQ errors (i.e. plowing thru guys when they obviously have position).

-Isn't he learning anything from Aguirre? Yeah, he's got the baby hook. But, he so seldom uses other moves: drop steps, short jumpers, one & two dribble moves to get to the hole.

-His foul shooting woes are well documented, but I believe he'll be a 70% FT shooter. His shot isn't ugly, matter of fact he's got a smooth stroke. Which is why I wonder why he's taken exactly 1 face up jump shot (a 10 footer) all season.
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12/20/2005  1:08 PM
Curry really didn't have too much of a training period. He arrived to Knick's game in so/so shape. He is being asked to play more MPG than he has done in the past. He is now asked to play more defense as well.
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12/20/2005  1:14 PM
you have the attention span of a gnat.
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12/20/2005  1:22 PM
Here we go again....we aren't even half way through the season and you've already soured on Curry. I respect your opinion but give me a break. And while your at it, can you give the kid Curry a break. Could you give him at least one full season before your "sour" on him? Please.
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12/20/2005  1:27 PM
How do you decide to sour on a guy who is out on an injury?

Having said that I do think his injuries come from him being lazy more than anything else.
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12/20/2005  1:29 PM
Spree/Phill in LA: Tell me which of these observations are you not on board with.

Tell me he doesn't give every indication that he's happy to be making 10mm a year, but doesn't necessarily want to work for it.
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12/20/2005  1:33 PM
Killa - If a guy gets injured because he's fat, yeah I got big issue with that. If a guy makes dumb ass fouls night in night out...goes to the same move repeatedly....can't set a friggin' pick w/o moving, yeah, I'll pick on him. Lastly, if a guy has talent & Curry obviously does...and wastes it more times than not (except when a contract is at stake -see 2004-05 season), then as fans, we have a right to be ticked off.
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12/20/2005  1:36 PM
Curry should be fine

The problem with curry is that it appeasr as if we are giving away two lottery pick two second rounders and Mike Sweetney for him which is OUTRAGEOUS compensation for a fairly unproven player who nobody wanted in free agency INCLUDING his own team.

I have never heard of this type of compensation except with the Webber trade out of college. Vince Carter only cost 2 protected 1s and various contracts that were not even ending.
We basically valued Curry as one of the most prestegious assets in NBA history.
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12/20/2005  1:37 PM
He hasn't even played 20 consecxutive games. He has hardly been in a groove yet. He seemed to come back with a vengance before he was hurt, so I haven't soured on him. You've gotta remember I started a thread entitled: "Dear Eddy Curry" not too long ago, lodging complaints. I have complaints but to sour on someone means to have given up on them. I have not given up on him.
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12/20/2005  1:38 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Killa - If a guy gets injured because he's fat, yeah I got big issue with that. If a guy makes dumb ass fouls night in night out...goes to the same move repeatedly....can't set a friggin' pick w/o moving, yeah, I'll pick on him. Lastly, if a guy has talent & Curry obviously does...and wastes it more times than not (except when a contract is at stake -see 2004-05 season), then as fans, we have a right to be ticked off.

I don't know if he got injured due to his shape but the guy was in bad shape when arrive to Knick camp, to his credit he tried to keep in shape. I think his injury is more to due with having to assert himself more in the defensive side of the ball. I actually like the way he was playing before he got hurt. Curry is a guy who starts off late but gets into basketball shape. Also I think Brown maybe practicing these guys too much.
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12/20/2005  1:41 PM
Nice post Briggs.

Tell me though, define "fine". There was a thread a while back, i think the title was Curry - 20/10, bank on it. How good do you see him getting given his apparent lack of dedication?

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12/20/2005  1:52 PM
[quote]
Posted by purple012870:

Nice post Briggs.

Tell me though, define "fine". There was a thread a while back, i think the title was Curry - 20/10, bank on it. How good do you see him getting given his apparent lack of dedication?



Curry has to do what Elton Brand did this summer--he needs to lose 25- 30 pounds. He has to do
it the right way without diet enhancers--he needs a top notch sports nutritonist and a top notch trainer who can help get him down, while maintaining power.
Losing those 25 pounds will take weight off his lower legs[decreasing injury potential] while it will increase his agility and speed, enabling to become a better rebounder-shot blocker and increase his endurance. he needs to continue fundamental post develoment on both sides of the court. IF he can get his weight down if hes WILLINg to work hard he can become a 20-10 player--but so far there is very little indication he will do this. If he keeps the weight on, he will play 55-60 games a year and average 15 and 6
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12/20/2005  2:01 PM
I agree. Great summary.
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12/20/2005  3:27 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Curry should be fine

The problem with curry is that it appeasr as if we are giving away two lottery pick two second rounders and Mike Sweetney for him which is OUTRAGEOUS compensation for a fairly unproven player who nobody wanted in free agency INCLUDING his own team.

I have never heard of this type of compensation except with the Webber trade out of college. Vince Carter only cost 2 protected 1s and various contracts that were not even ending.
We basically valued Curry as one of the most prestegious assets in NBA history.


Vince Carter quit on his team, he admitted that, vince carter has had a long career so far of injuries and vince is a 27 year old 6'6 guard. The difference is that curry never quit on the bulls, and curry is 23 and 6'11, and averaged 17ppg that is why you would have to give up more. Look at what Dalembert got paid, and chandler and DAmpier, they got a lot more than curry, were they valued as the most prestigious assets in the NBA? And don't give me this other people wanted them crap, no one wanted those guys at those salaries.... Again Briggs you are jumping off the bridge with such comments..
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12/20/2005  3:48 PM
Posted by tkf:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

Curry should be fine

The problem with curry is that it appeasr as if we are giving away two lottery pick two second rounders and Mike Sweetney for him which is OUTRAGEOUS compensation for a fairly unproven player who nobody wanted in free agency INCLUDING his own team.

I have never heard of this type of compensation except with the Webber trade out of college. Vince Carter only cost 2 protected 1s and various contracts that were not even ending.
We basically valued Curry as one of the most prestegious assets in NBA history.


Vince Carter quit on his team, he admitted that, vince carter has had a long career so far of injuries and vince is a 27 year old 6'6 guard. The difference is that curry never quit on the bulls, and curry is 23 and 6'11, and averaged 17ppg that is why you would have to give up more. Look at what Dalembert got paid, and chandler and DAmpier, they got a lot more than curry, were they valued as the most prestigious assets in the NBA? And don't give me this other people wanted them crap, no one wanted those guys at those salaries.... Again Briggs you are jumping off the bridge with such comments..


I hope you are not comparing Eddie Curry and Vince Carter because you'll look mighty dumb, but beside the point, Eddie Curry was a FRRE AGENT meaning ANY team with cap space could have offered him--NO one did--his OWN team WAS NOT going to sign him unless he passed a DNA test which he was unwilling to give. NO team SIGNED eddy-we were the only team WILLINg to sign him for that amount of $$$$ and also take him with no testing. That being said we OVERCOMPENSATED the BULLS. You can say Eddye Curry is this and that until you are blue in the face, the facts are hes only been a fair NBA player. DWIGHT HOWARd CHRIS BOSH AMNARE STOUDEMIE KG etc...et al all way YOUNGER than him at points of their careers were multiple times BETTER. You sound foolish, like you dont even understand basc concepts here, and stating that Curry is better than Vince carter is assinine.
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12/20/2005  4:09 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I hope you are not comparing Eddie Curry and Vince Carter because you'll look mighty dumb, but beside the point, Eddie Curry was a FRRE AGENT meaning ANY team with cap space could have offered him--NO one did--his OWN team WAS NOT going to sign him unless he passed a DNA test which he was unwilling to give. NO team SIGNED eddy-we were the only team WILLINg to sign him for that amount of $$$$ and also take him with no testing. That being said we OVERCOMPENSATED the BULLS. You can say Eddye Curry is this and that until you are blue in the face, the facts are hes only been a fair NBA player. DWIGHT HOWARd CHRIS BOSH AMNARE STOUDEMIE KG etc...et al all way YOUNGER than him at points of their careers were multiple times BETTER. You sound foolish, like you dont even understand basc concepts here, and stating that Curry is better than Vince carter is assinine.

I don't think he was saying Curry is better, he's saying putting together a package and a contract for Curry is more expensive than it was for Carter, no matter what the situation was with Curry.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-20-2005 4:10 PM]
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12/20/2005  4:51 PM
Would you trade Curry for Vince Carter if hypothetically the salaries matched? I wouldn't. Curry is a more valuable long-term prospect; so we logically had to give up more to get him. People talk about Sweetney like he's something special. Even in this year where he's starting, he's putting up 11 and 6 and too slow on defense to guard most starting PFs. Curry's not playing like anything special either, but he has the body to be extremely special.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-20-2005 4:55 PM]
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12/20/2005  5:09 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I hope you are not comparing Eddie Curry and Vince Carter because you'll look mighty dumb, but beside the point, Eddie Curry was a FRRE AGENT meaning ANY team with cap space could have offered him--NO one did--his OWN team WAS NOT going to sign him unless he passed a DNA test which he was unwilling to give. NO team SIGNED eddy-we were the only team WILLINg to sign him for that amount of $$$$ and also take him with no testing. That being said we OVERCOMPENSATED the BULLS. You can say Eddye Curry is this and that until you are blue in the face, the facts are hes only been a fair NBA player. DWIGHT HOWARd CHRIS BOSH AMNARE STOUDEMIE KG etc...et al all way YOUNGER than him at points of their careers were multiple times BETTER. You sound foolish, like you dont even understand basc concepts here, and stating that Curry is better than Vince carter is assinine.

I don't think he was saying Curry is better, he's saying putting together a package and a contract for Curry is more expensive than it was for Carter, no matter what the situation was with Curry.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-20-2005 4:10 PM]


thank you for clarifying that for briggs, He often needs help with these types of things. Atlanta wanted curry, but the bulls scared the hawks away, and I can understand that if curry was unrestricted he would probably be in Atlanta, so Briggs if FOS...

This is comming from a guy who changes his opinion with the weather... He immeadeatly takes my post and jumps to the conclusion that I am comparing curry to vince...


and
stating that Curry is better than Vince carter is assinine.

Can someone, anyone finde where I said this? anyone? this just proves that briggs is an extremest, He takes everything to the extreme,even to the point of making things up. No wonder why people think he is nuts....

The fact remains that all the big men that were signed were over paid, relative to what dalembert got and chandler got, curry was compensated correctly, and there are still stipulations to that guaranteed money. Briggs won't mention this because he is too wrapped up into trying to be right...

comparing what it took to get vince carter and curry is ridiculous, two different positions two different situations...
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12/20/2005  5:23 PM
atlanta had 30mm in cap room, if they were interested in eddy curry, they would have eddy curry. they brought him in for a visit which he cut short because he had tickets to a music event. what sane GM would tunr their back on such on a good player well, none of the tams that had cap room even offered him a penny, knowing that chiago wasnt going to match because he refused to take any dna test. you can make up stuff all you want, thats the reality.


this is all moot eddy curry better get his fat arse in shape before we give up two yop 5 picks two number 2s and sweetney. actually i went back in nba history and found out NO team has ever traded two lottery picks for any player EVER, not counting sweetney and 2 2's. this is a benchmark trade and for all that what has eddy curry done in the nba--not much

NY Knick fans have to hope eddy curry finds a work ethic and cahones if he does that well save face. if not if this turns into something where they get morrison oden and sweetney
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12/20/2005  5:40 PM
Curry needs to work on a few things....sure. They need to feed him the ball like they did for Nazr. Anytime someone drives, Curry needs to be on the way to the rim with them. Drive, pass, dunk........along with his baby hook and develop a short jumper.
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