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Allanfan20
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12/19/2005  4:41 PM
He admitted himself that he has to lie to the media. The other day, he told Mike Fatcessa that Steph was going to be with the team in March. If you remember, last Summer, he said there's basically no way the Knicks were going to get Larry Brown b/c he wanted to stay in Detroit. The guy is basically a used car salesman and will say anything just to get the media to shut up about certain things. However, I'm not saying we should or shouldn't trade Marbury, b/c if we do, we sure as in hell BETTER be getting something good back in return or else Isiah needs to get his arse fired. Everything he says needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

With this said, I think there's so much turbulence with the state of the Knicks right now, it's hard to comprehend who the Knicks need to keep and who they need to trade. We know Channing needs to improve his defense. Curry needs to turn into a man and stop being that little girl who got her shot swatted away by Bippity. Marbury needs to step up big time. Crawford needs to be consistent. Nate needs to grow up. The vets basically suck, besides Taylor and a little of Rose. Damn, if only Ron Artest could be traded to the Knicks and he magically turn normal, and then we traded for Marcus Camby and then Michael Redd, the Knicks would be contenders!
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12/19/2005  4:49 PM
I'm with you man. The one move that would finally make me call for Zeke's head is if he traded Marbury away for nothing. Not sure what that would do for us besides appease the media.
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12/19/2005  5:44 PM
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12/19/2005  5:45 PM
poor marbury. sigh. that guy has one of the more tragic careers in the league and it just seems destined to end on some awful team that wins 10 games a year for three years in a row. Hopefully not this one...
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12/19/2005  5:50 PM
I wonder if he regrets leaving Minnesota...
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12/19/2005  7:02 PM
Why single out Isiah? Why not just post, "Don't be fooled by any GM; never take at face value what they tell the media"? If you take everything from fans, media, GMs, etc. at face value, you start believing things like the Bulls would protect both 1st rd picks and forget the 2nd round picks in the Curry deal if we gave them the player we took 30th.
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12/19/2005  7:11 PM
Bonn, you're right, but I made a bad attempt to single out the statement he made that Marbury wont be traded by the deadline. I'm not saying he will or wont be, but I'm saying that you should take these predictions he (And most other GMs) with a grain of salt. Like I said, I don't want to trade Marbury though if it's for the sake of trading him, like how a couple of other posters are thinking here.
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12/19/2005  7:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Why single out Isiah? Why not just post, "Don't be fooled by any GM; never take at face value what they tell the media"? If you take everything from fans, media, GMs, etc. at face value, you start believing things like the Bulls would protect both 1st rd picks and forget the 2nd round picks in the Curry deal if we gave them the player we took 30th.

Because Isiah was the only one stupid enough to say it which just goes to show what type of person he is.

I believe that Isiah gave up 2 unprotected 1st rd picks and 2 2nd rd picks, isn't that bad enough?
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12/19/2005  7:34 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

poor marbury. sigh. that guy has one of the more tragic careers in the league and it just seems destined to end on some awful team that wins 10 games a year for three years in a row. Hopefully not this one...

He can turn that tragic career around if he wants to...
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12/19/2005  7:36 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:


He can turn that tragic career around if he wants to...

Like Isiah himself said.

It's not enough WANTING to adapt to Brown.

You have to be able to...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/19/2005  7:38 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Knicksfan:


He can turn that tragic career around if he wants to...

Like Isiah himself said.

It's not enough WANTING to adapt to Brown.

You have to be able to...

If you want to and have the ability to. Marbury has the talent to, its just a matter of him really wanting to...
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12/19/2005  7:44 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Knicksfan:


He can turn that tragic career around if he wants to...

Like Isiah himself said.

It's not enough WANTING to adapt to Brown.

You have to be able to...

If you want to and have the ability to. Marbury has the talent to, its just a matter of him really wanting to...

It has nothing to do with talent.

It has to do with the fiber you're built of as player.

I don't think Marbury has the stuff that will allow him to adapt...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/19/2005  8:25 PM
Isiah has basically been saying he thinks LB and marbury are working as hard as they can on this, but he's not convinced marbs will be able to adapt.

Steph just doesn't have a PGs court vision or patience.
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12/19/2005  8:33 PM
I've said it before, but I LOVE Marbs as a secondary scoring option at SG.

SG is more of a position with less responsibility, less thinking to do.

Marbs is a workhorse, not a magician. He's no Steve Nash or Jason Kidd.

I think he'd be really effective at the 2, but obviously Brown and Isiah don't share that feeling...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/19/2005  8:44 PM
People kill me with this court vision thing and all that. Steph can see the court well enough. Its about a desire to truly buy into this system. Once Steph realizes that there's no hope of things changing back to the old days and he's gonna have to tow the line, He'll be fine. He's a prideful man. I've seen signs of him making strides in this offense. He's still got a ways to go, but really 20 games under these crazy circumstances isn't enough to close the book on him gettting it. You guys tend to lump his whole career in with this latest effort to learn LB's system and these new players. Its not like its gonna all come easy. He's not the only player having trouble with it. Just about everyone is.
HEck even LB himself has had trouble figuring out how to use his players. Its not just a one player thing.

I don't think there's a chance in heck that another team will take on Steph's huge contract, so this project is going to be going on for a while longer. I think its gonna work out. IF you compare this situation to any of LB's other situations this isn't that far off base. He ALWAYS has problems with his PG's. Billups had trouble too, but he was already with his team for a few years and so that part of it was already taken care of. All he had to do was make minor adjustments. Steph plays a totally different game from Billups and this is an almost completely new team Steph has. Heck the starting lineup is completely brand new. That is why it looks so bad. Lets just give this team time to grow together. I think that's going to happen naturally.
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12/19/2005  9:18 PM
Posted by nixluva:

People kill me with this court vision thing and all that. Steph can see the court well enough. Its about a desire to truly buy into this system.

It's about court vision too. lets remember Amare and Marion's complaints that Steph doesn't get them "easy buckets". Let's not forget D'Antoni saying PG isn't Steph's strong suit. lets not forget his weakness at feeding the interior, or running fast breaks, or hitting cutters, or backdoors, or oops.

He does the pick and pop or he drives and kicks out, and that is about the extent of his comfort zone. Steph likes spot up shooters who are in their expected spots on the floor. He likes to know where is guys are gonna be and I think it's one of the reasons they are so often static. Either Steph needs to stand still while others move, or to his preference, they stand still while he moves -- but when both happen he flusters.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 12-19-2005 9:19 PM]
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12/19/2005  9:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Why single out Isiah? Why not just post, "Don't be fooled by any GM; never take at face value what they tell the media"? If you take everything from fans, media, GMs, etc. at face value, you start believing things like the Bulls would protect both 1st rd picks and forget the 2nd round picks in the Curry deal if we gave them the player we took 30th.

Because Isiah was the only one stupid enough to say it which just goes to show what type of person he is.

I believe that Isiah gave up 2 unprotected 1st rd picks and 2 2nd rd picks, isn't that bad enough?

Dolan, Checketts, and Layden all lied to the media at various times during their tenure with the Knicks.
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12/19/2005  10:11 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by nixluva:

People kill me with this court vision thing and all that. Steph can see the court well enough. Its about a desire to truly buy into this system.

It's about court vision too. lets remember Amare and Marion's complaints that Steph doesn't get them "easy buckets". Let's not forget D'Antoni saying PG isn't Steph's strong suit. lets not forget his weakness at feeding the interior, or running fast breaks, or hitting cutters, or backdoors, or oops.

He does the pick and pop or he drives and kicks out, and that is about the extent of his comfort zone. Steph likes spot up shooters who are in their expected spots on the floor. He likes to know where is guys are gonna be and I think it's one of the reasons they are so often static. Either Steph needs to stand still while others move, or to his preference, they stand still while he moves -- but when both happen he flusters.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 12-19-2005 9:19 PM]


wow, that's a pretty dead on description of Marbs game. The guy IS limited.
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12/20/2005  12:05 AM
Pure man Stephan is 5 inches short from being a 2-guard and half-brain short from being the point guard.
He should be the 6th man combo guard on good team. This can help somebody to win the championship...
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