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Ira
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12/18/2005  4:36 AM
INDIANAPOLIS, Dec. 17 (AP) - Ron Artest said Saturday that he did not want to be traded by the Indiana Pacers after all.

"I should have been a man and spoken with Coach about my differences with him," Artest, referring to Coach Rick Carlisle, told The Indianapolis Star in a telephone interview. "And yes, I would like to return to the team."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/18/sports/basketball/18artest.html?pagewanted=all

Sorry if this has already been posted. I didn't see it when I looked.
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12/18/2005  4:57 AM
probably felt that the teams that he wanted to go to didnt have the assets to acquire him.
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12/18/2005  5:11 AM
probably felt that the teams that he wanted to go to didnt have the assets to acquire him.

I agree, it sounds like a ploy to get his value back up. I tell you, Ron Artest is a dumb mofo.

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12/18/2005  5:42 AM
Should I stay or should I go now?

If I go there will be trouble.

And if I stay it will be double.
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12/18/2005  7:34 AM
I often wonder whether his craziness had something to do with the Knicks not drafting him. Being from New York and playing for St. Johns, our front office might have been aware of his problems.
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12/18/2005  9:36 AM
I don't think staying is an option now.
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12/18/2005  10:18 AM
Posted by oohah:
probably felt that the teams that he wanted to go to didnt have the assets to acquire him.

I agree, it sounds like a ploy to get his value back up.

I don't get the impression that Artest puts that much thought into his statements. He strikes me more as being impulsive. After giving it more thought, he looks like he realized he made a mistake. If the offers are bad for Artest, the Pacers might be better off in the long-run pretending that they're willing to keep him, letting him play about 15 games, and then trading him. It would be a short-term distraction but they might get better pieces that would help them in the long-term if they did that.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-18-2005 10:19 AM]
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12/18/2005  12:41 PM
Posted by Ira:

I often wonder whether his craziness had something to do with the Knicks not drafting him. Being from New York and playing for St. Johns, our front office might have been aware of his problems.

He was and is still an asset, unlike Weis who was and is a joke.
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12/18/2005  5:47 PM
personally i don't follow the car racing world at all but a buddy of mine who does sent me this email. might be of interest to anyone who keeps up on it:

Kurt Busch is the Artest of stock car racing. He has gotten into fights. He has intentionally crashed other cars. Finally, he signed with another team for 2007 despite still being under contract for 2006. After negotiations, he was allowed to leave for the other team next year. When Busch was arrested for resisting arrest during a traffic stop, the team suspended him for the last two races. This was the team's statement:



"We're officially retiring as Kurt Busch's apologists effective [Sunday]."



I have a feeling that Donnie Walsh is at the same point.
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12/18/2005  5:54 PM
I don't get the impression that Artest puts that much thought into his statements. He strikes me more as being impulsive. After giving it more thought, he looks like he realized he made a mistake. If the offers are bad for Artest, the Pacers might be better off in the long-run pretending that they're willing to keep him, letting him play about 15 games, and then trading him. It would be a short-term distraction but they might get better pieces that would help them in the long-term if they did that.

I am not saying he put any thought into it. I think it is more likely that Walsh/similar person explained to him what he needs to do and say to get his wish.

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12/18/2005  8:45 PM
Posted by oohah:
I don't get the impression that Artest puts that much thought into his statements. He strikes me more as being impulsive. After giving it more thought, he looks like he realized he made a mistake. If the offers are bad for Artest, the Pacers might be better off in the long-run pretending that they're willing to keep him, letting him play about 15 games, and then trading him. It would be a short-term distraction but they might get better pieces that would help them in the long-term if they did that.

I am not saying he put any thought into it. I think it is more likely that Walsh/similar person explained to him what he needs to do and say to get his wish.

oohah
Oh, I see. That's possible.

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12/18/2005  9:10 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by oohah:
I don't get the impression that Artest puts that much thought into his statements. He strikes me more as being impulsive. After giving it more thought, he looks like he realized he made a mistake. If the offers are bad for Artest, the Pacers might be better off in the long-run pretending that they're willing to keep him, letting him play about 15 games, and then trading him. It would be a short-term distraction but they might get better pieces that would help them in the long-term if they did that.

I am not saying he put any thought into it. I think it is more likely that Walsh/similar person explained to him what he needs to do and say to get his wish.

oohah
Oh, I see. That's possible.


Its probably more likely that walsh said, I got crap offers for you and you're going to sit until summer.

But waht do the pacers think- they basically tell the world, we're trading him.

Better strategy would have been to say, we'll ron is obviously frustrated, and we value him as a player. And then burn the phones off in private trying to get a deal.
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12/18/2005  9:13 PM
I'll say this much, no way I'm giving up Lee or Nate in a package for Artest.

They're too important for our future.

Ariza I'd include b/c he's more of horse. He makes some big defensive plays and throws down the dunks but by now he should've improved on certain things, and he hasn't.

Low basketball IQ is something we should be shaking our heads at.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/18/2005  9:27 PM
I'll say this much, no way I'm giving up Lee or Nate in a package for Artest.
They're too important for our future.

Ariza I'd include b/c he's more of horse. He makes some big defensive plays and throws down the dunks but by now he should've improved on certain things, and he hasn't.

Low basketball IQ is something we should be shaking our heads at.

I find it very strange that you consider Lee or Robinson less give-upable than Ariza. Lee can't even crack this rotation and Robinson may be a nice player, or he may be a role-player basketball oddity, but he certainly doesn't strike me as "definite future building block". Ariza might not be a "definite future building block" either, but I think his worth to this team is easily better than Lee at this moment and at least the equal of Robinson.

Why? Robinson brings a lot of errors to the table with his big/exciting plays. He can be overwhelmed on defense. Lee isn't playing for a reason.

As for Ariza's not improving as much as one would like "by now". This is his second year in the pros. He had one year of college experience previous to that, as compared to Robinson's 3 years and Lee's 4. He's had less time to develop and improve his game than them, not more. And he is doing just fine developing his game at the highest level, not against college boys. I don't see that he has a low basketball IQ, just a limited skillset. Give him some time, I think he has earned it as much as any player on the team.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 12-18-2005 9:28 PM]
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12/18/2005  9:37 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Ariza I'd include b/c he's more of horse. He makes some big defensive plays and throws down the dunks but by now he should've improved on certain things, and he hasn't.

Bobs, I kinda agree with what oohah has said and I would add:

Sometimes guys just have to grow into their own bodies. And sometime as a 19 year old you hang out at the mall and spy on chicks and don't go to the gym like you are supposed to. We all got to remember that this was the first summer that Ariza has had with some dime in his pocket.

Take Jermaine ONeal for an example. Did he improve dramatically after his first year as a pro? Second? Third? He wasn't even good enough after his fourth year that Porland found it worthwhile enough to keep him. Yeah man, Portland had 4 years of checking out JO and still traded him. You got to go easy on the young guys who show flashes and watch their demenor both on and off the court. Does he hustle, does he want to learn, does he show the energy? Those are the marks of whether or not you keep him to see if he is going to get better. Not every guy is LeBron or Carmello and can show you what they added over 1 summer or already come ready made.
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12/18/2005  9:39 PM
My point is that it's about time we started taking advantage of important players with rookie contracts as opposed to bum players with star contracts.

I like Ron as a player, but sacrificing money and our future for him is JUST better than a lateral move. You gotta build on what we have.

We don't even know what we have with Lee and Nate yet. We have a much better idea with Ariza, but even there I agree with you, give him more time.

Just not sure Artest is worth straying from the path of "rebuilding".
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/18/2005  11:56 PM
My point is that it's about time we started taking advantage of important players with rookie contracts as opposed to bum players with star contracts.

I agree with that for the most part.

I like Ron as a player, but sacrificing money and our future for him is JUST better than a lateral move. You gotta build on what we have.

It's hard to say whether we should build with these guys or look elsewhere, our only truly known quantities are Marbury and the Shi!tty vets.

We don't even know what we have with Lee and Nate yet. We have a much better idea with Ariza, but even there I agree with you, give him more time.

I would disagree with you there. Ariza's possibilities are completely unknown as of yet. In fact NR reminds me of Ariza in an amazing way, he is more athlete than basketball player. I never thought I would see a 5'9" player in the NBA with skills as raw as NR's. He has made his way to the highest level of basketball by being an overwhelming athlete. Should NR develop his skills to the degree of other short players such as Keith Jennings or Earl Boykins for instance, he could be a terror to the opposition. Right now, he can terrorize the other team or his own, it all depends.

Everybody seems to like Lee and I do too, but I have never seen such an overrated player. No one has seen him play for any significant amount of time, but everybody seems to think he is the 'key' to something. I see him as a potential guy more than anything else right now, lots of athleticism, tenacity, a nice feel for the game, but a he is also is an incomplete player, similar to Ariza/NR, even after 4 years at the college level. Is he as good as Austin Croshere at the same point? I don't think so, and Croshere had a slow career start and is mainly a nice bench player. Let's not bet the farm on David Lee.

Just not sure Artest is worth straying from the path of "rebuilding".

If rebuilding is what we are truly doing and I think that is arguable. In fact, I have no idea what Isiah is doing.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 12-18-2005 11:56 PM]
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12/18/2005  11:58 PM
All I gotta say in response is that David Lee is the truth.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/19/2005  12:00 AM
All I gotta say in response is that David Lee is the truth.

Then I guess:

LB CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

oohah
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