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OAK
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12/13/2005  10:18 PM
New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Stephon Marbury
Antonio Davis
Malik Rose
David Lee
Trevor Ariza

Incoming

Ron Artest
Austin Croshere
Jalen Rose
Eric Williams
Aaron Williams
Toronto 2006 #1 pick

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Jalen Rose
Eric Williams
Mike James
Aaron Williams
Toronto 2006 #1 pick

Incoming

Stephon Marbury
Malik Rose
Anthony Johnson

Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Austin Croshere
Ron Artest
Anthony Johnson

Incoming

Antonio Davis
David Lee
Trevor Ariza
Mike James

Successful Scenario
Trade ID 2715266.
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BRIGGS
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12/13/2005  10:24 PM
man you had me for one minute, i thought something went down.

you were just working that trade checker to death
RIP Crushalot😞
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12/13/2005  10:36 PM
LINE UPS

NEW YORK

Craw/Nate
Q-Rich/Jalen Rose/Q-Woods
Artest/Croshere
Frye/Taylor
Curry/Butler/JJ

inactive: Eric & Aaron Williams, Penny

TORONTO

Marbury/Calderon/Martin
Peterson/Johnson
Graham/Malik Rose
CV/Bonner
Bosh/Arujo/Woods

inactive: Alvin Williams, Sow

INDIANA

Tinsley/Jasikevicius
Jackson/Mike James/Fred Jones
Granger/Ariza
O'Neil/AD
Foster/Harrison/Pollard

inactive: Lee, Walker, Gill, (Bender will likely retire)
OAK
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12/13/2005  10:38 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

man you had me for one minute, i thought something went down.

you were just working that trade checker to death

Yep, you're right. bUT I think this one is decent IF YOU LIKE THE IDEA OF MOVING MARBURY FOR CAP PURPOSES, AND GETTING ARTEST.
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12/13/2005  10:41 PM
I like the trade...
Balances us out further and brings a much needed pick our way.
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12/13/2005  10:42 PM
There is no way New York gets the best player and the #1 draft pick in this scenario--it's funny how we always come out on top in these proposals.
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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12/13/2005  10:50 PM
Posted by Knight:

There is no way New York gets the best player and the #1 draft pick in this scenario--it's funny how we always come out on top in these proposals.

You think? I think Toronto does great in this trade. They move 3 useless vets in Rose & 2 Williams, plus James & a pick, while receiving Marbury (he'll get people back in the seats playing with CV & Bosh), good b/u PG in Johnson, and great locker room presence & stabilizer in Rose. NY is taking on the scrubs & Rose while giving them Marbury, so I think it's fair that we get a #1 pick next yr (not the ODEN year).
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12/13/2005  10:58 PM
^Why doesn't Indiana get the pick?
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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12/13/2005  11:25 PM
I think the plan is pretty well thought out. I can see why teams would do it. I think Indiana's package might be a little light and the Knicks a little heavy. But, I don't think there is any deal breaker in there. It really depends on whether Indiana likes cap room. There may be a lot of extra pieces flying around in this trade, somewhat unnecessarily.
This is the Randle.
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12/13/2005  11:28 PM
I don't think a package of AD (ready to retire), Lee (unproven rookie), Ariza (unimproved sophomore), and James (30 year old mediocre journeyman point guard) looks very good to Indiana for Artest and Croshere.

[Edited by - Knight on 12-13-2005 11:29 PM]
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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12/14/2005  12:04 AM
Posted by OAK:

New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Stephon Marbury
Antonio Davis
Malik Rose
David Lee
Trevor Ariza

Incoming

Ron Artest
Austin Croshere
Jalen Rose
Eric Williams
Aaron Williams
Toronto 2006 #1 pick

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Jalen Rose
Eric Williams
Mike James
Aaron Williams
Toronto 2006 #1 pick

Incoming

Stephon Marbury
Malik Rose
Anthony Johnson

Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Austin Croshere
Ron Artest
Anthony Johnson

Incoming

Antonio Davis
David Lee
Trevor Ariza
Mike James

Successful Scenario
Trade ID 2715266.

Another really bad trade idea that any GM in his right mind would never take part in these ridiculous transactions!
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12/14/2005  12:13 AM
Posted by Knight:

I don't think a package of AD (ready to retire), Lee (unproven rookie), Ariza (unimproved sophomore), and James (30 year old mediocre journeyman point guard) looks very good to Indiana for Artest and Croshere.

[Edited by - Knight on 12-13-2005 11:29 PM]

Well, Walsh said that they are not looking to dealing Artest for vets.
I agree that Lee & Ariza are not proven, but many GMs liked Lee before the draft, while James is having a breakout season. I'm sure Indy would appreciate the idea of reducing future payroll by $33mm ($15mm reduction for next season). If that's not enough, maybe Isiah can give them a future 2 pick.
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12/14/2005  4:21 AM
Posted by Knight:

There is no way New York gets the best player and the #1 draft pick in this scenario--it's funny how we always come out on top in these proposals.

-- and never in the actual trades.
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12/14/2005  8:50 AM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by Knight:

There is no way New York gets the best player and the #1 draft pick in this scenario--it's funny how we always come out on top in these proposals.

-- and never in the actual trades.

Generally agreed but when you are willing to take the baggage (remember the guy having trouble feeding his kids?) sometimes we do get the best player in the deal
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