Posted by McK1:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by fishmike:

there is no way Sac is trading Peja for Artest.

Agreed!

better than lose him for nothing which they will at the end of the season.

they can always re-route Artest like Atlanta did when they traded for Wallace.

Like maybe re-route Artest here for about $30 million in cap relief?

Posted by joec32033:

Does it scare anyone else that if we end up trading Marbury for Artest, that Artest will be our best player and defacto clubhouse leader and the strongest personality ion the locker room?

Well, Artest being our best player may be better than having Marbury being it. And Marbury has done nothing as a clubhouse leader, so we don't lose that much. I'd give a chance to Artest being at home and being the best player on the Knicks, maybe giving him that responsability on his hometown will make him focus on basketball. Its a gamble, but why not take it? Its not like the Knicks are close to making the playoffs anyway...

There's no team in the world that would take Marbury right now. It's ridiculous, but mainly because of his contract he is untradeable. Don't worry about losing Marbs, he's here for the long run for better or worse.

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by crzymdups:

There's no team in the world that would take Marbury right now. It's ridiculous, but mainly because of his contract he is untradeable. Don't worry about losing Marbs, he's here for the long run for better or worse.

Then IT has no choice but to bring Larry Brown the PG he wants, because Nate right now isn't a PG and is better suited for the bench. Its frustrating that things worked out for Billups and he scored and organized the offense for Detroit with Brown but that hasn't happened with Marbury. The only way I see this thing working without trading Marbury is bringing a pass-first PG to start along with Marbury. That would somehow make either Q-Rich or Craw expendable...

#1-It took Billups a while
#2-Billups was already playing with winning players and vets that knew how to play
#3-Marbury isn't Billups

I'm with you Knicksfan, but Marbury is further into his career than Billups was. Marbury through some fault of his own has had no stability and has played one way his entire career. Now on a dime he is being asked to change. It's going to take more than 20 games for this to happen. Add to this the fact that there aren't many guys on this team that also know how to play the game he has no examples. Billups had a team full of them.

Posted by crzymdups:

There's no team in the world that would take Marbury right now. It's ridiculous, but mainly because of his contract he is untradeable. Don't worry about losing Marbs, he's here for the long run for better or worse.

I think you could get artest and croshere tomorrow for marbs.

Dallas probably regretted giving Dampier that contract the moment he signed it. That Foyle contract is even more assinine as Big Gays.

Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with you Knicksfan, but Marbury is further into his career than Billups was. Marbury through some fault of his own has had no stability and has played one way his entire career. Now on a dime he is being asked to change. It's going to take more than 20 games for this to happen. Add to this the fact that there aren't many guys on this team that also know how to play the game he has no examples. Billups had a team full of them.

Yep, this is very true, and unfortunate. The vets we have here are just not effective players anymore, and can't get the job done. The young vets are very inconsistent to provide any help (Craw, Q, Curry). The only player ready to score consistently is the one trying to be a pass first PG, and that is hurting us so much. IT better find a way to get Marb some steady help because its ironic how the only ones doing that are the rookies.

Posted by Bippity10:

djsuny:I'm not opposed to trading Marbury but I think most on this site are just looking to trade him for anyone. I don't think that helps us. If we can't get the right deal hold on to him and go from there. Either way we are going to struggle. We are not in position to trade Marbury for trade sake unless he was a cancer. If he is playing hard and doing what the coach says than there is no reason not to hold onto him and wait to see if a great deal comes along.

i agree. the misconception is that if we trade marbury, then we'll start winning. and that's not necessarily true. but what i will say is this - we can all universally agree that steph is not a leader. but with him on the team, it will be very tough for a leader to emerge, especially without posing a threat to steph. it's not a good dynamic to have.

i can't talk from a bball point of view but from a team at work, we have one guy running the ship on a project. he's the guy giving out the work and the point man. but he's very poor at organizing. another guy on the team is getting the job done efficiently and is on top of the other guys to make sure they're getting it done also. but he's not the top guy. now the project lead is seeing this and feels a little threatened, especially since he got to where he was b/c of his relationship with the boss.

that may not be a great example or maybe i didn't articulate it correctly but in summation, with steph not being a leader combined with the fact that we don't have veterans that can still play and take the leadership from steph, we're stuck with a bunch of young guys that have to keep quiet. so yes, dumping steph for nothing may hurt us talent-wise BUT even tho steph isn't a cancer, it may clear the way for someone to step up. not saying it will, but it now gives someone the opportunity. kurt thomas was moved on draft night b/c it was the FIRST deal isiah got for him. kurt challenged steph and got burned for it.

OR

we can try to keep doing it with steph and keep investing time in him and hope it works out. so far, alot of teams have tried it...only to be dissapointed. and with what seems to be the direction we're going in, the youth, steph not being a leader for them makes him, imho, not needed.

i, for one, am willing to turn the page and move on already AT THE BEHEST of winning RIGHT NOW.