why do u guys even think about adding artest and trading away our rookies or ariza, i just dont think we should partake in this one at all. maybe wait for another time, if he can demand a trade now he can demand one later on another team. give this team some time guys.

i like the team as it is now, but artest is one of the best SFs in the league and he is only 26. Ariza isnt really ready to start or get 20+minutes off the bench until he works on his jumper. QRich isnt really a SF, and hasnt impressed me at all. SF is our one position where we are really exposed. it just seems like the perfect acquisition to complement our roster.

As long as we don't have to give up the kids - and we shouldn't for getting rid of Indiana's nightmare - he'd be a good add, and cheaper than KG.

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Posted by PhilinLA:

As long as we don't have to give up the kids - and we shouldn't for getting rid of Indiana's nightmare - he'd be a good add, and cheaper than KG.

ill give up ariza lee and butler in 2 seconds to get artest. none of those guys will ever be artest even combined

i agree, throw in whatever picks and money to get it done, just leave our other youngins (Nate, Frye, Curry) out of it.

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Posted by PhilinLA:

As long as we don't have to give up the kids - and we shouldn't for getting rid of Indiana's nightmare - he'd be a good add, and cheaper than KG.

ill give up ariza lee and butler in 2 seconds to get artest. none of those guys will ever be artest even combined

I was talking about Frye/Curry/Nate, the ones who are already "pieces." I'd have trouble parting with Lee and or Butler but would.

Posted by EnySpree:

Are you kidding me? The knicks have everything but a small fwd. I personally think the knicks should have at least 5 more wins if it weren't for brown screwing with the line ups. Artest can get you 20 points and pitch in with every other aspect of the game. Plus the dude can lock down the other teams best player. Do you see what a guy like this can do for your club? He would make the knicks better just by suiting up.

I'm looking at a possible playoff series against clevland. Artest makes that series a war that the knicks can win.

If the knicks take back a bad contract and give up ariza and or lee and an expireing contract, how can you not make this trade?

I'd say Miami is the only team that can mess this up for the knicks. They can trade walker, posey, dorell, draft picks, etc.

I'd make that trade instantly if that were what it took. Ariza, a draft pick, an expiring contract, and taking back Croshere. No problem at all. If they want Q in return for us taking back a second bad contract I'd do it. I'd like to hold on as much of our youth as possible, but a trade that comes down to Ariza and a pick for Artest (from our point of view - money aside) is a no brainer.

I love Artest, as most do, but this guys psyche worries me. Last year I'd have been more enthusiastic, but the more he speaks the less interested I am.

I used to think he was a little too emotional, sorta like Sheed of a few years ago, but Artest is missing some chunks upstairs. His aren't the problems that beg for a change of scenery or a new coach, his are the problems for shrinks and medications.

Yes, at some price he's worth a chance, but lets not look to this kid to save us; nor should we expect to be able to save him. He's a big impact guy in the short term, but a serious project for the long term.

How about something like Ariza, Crawford and Q for Artest and Scott Pollard? That would work and has some fairness to it. We take a risk on a headcase and they get some versatility.

Posted by rvhoss:

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RV, where have you been man?

Mike Breen is a very knowledgable person. I agree with everything he just said about artest. frye should not be traded for artest. and if its necesary the forget artest.

Now that you mention it, I do like the team, somewhat. I like the Frye/Curry combo a lot. The rest, I think, could use work. I would like it if Nate could develop better passing skills. I like his heart. If he continues to develop, I would say that Nate/Frye/Curry is a staple to our rotation for years. At the 2, we can run Marbs, Craw or QRich. I am not blown away by any of them. Marbs can create shots for himself, but he doesn't really spread out the floor. (Note: I am thinking of him as a 2 guard from hereon). Craw and Q are also great off the dribble, but their shooting %s leave much to be desired. Nor do any of the three truly play good defense, allowing opposing SG's to run up the score. I would upgrade there. At the 3, well, there is Q (if not playing the 2), Ariza, Lee, Rose, or Woods. Honestly, if Woods gets his act together, he is my choice. He shows flashes of brilliance on the court. Ariza has no offense. He can only do put backs and open dunks. He air-balled an open look tonight. Malik is pathetic. Lee hasn't played enough to make a judgment, though I like what I see.
On the bench, I like Jackie Blue, and well, Mo T can play offense. I like Craw off the bench, kind of like an instant offense guy. But, with the resources we have (expiring contracts, etc... I think the right move is to get the most for Marbury, trade AD and Penny, and try and get guys who can complement Frye and Curry. I start to build around Frye rather than play Marbury's game. He is a terrible 2.