bumping head mentality is a lame excuse not to bring artest to ny with star, especially when you have larry brown at the helm.

brown + star + artest redefines new york pride

Ron Artest is a psychiatrist's dream.

Heh heh, man I tell you...hope reigns eternal.

Bird will not deal with Isiah under any circumstances.

Artest has just pissed off Walsh, Bird, Carlisle and probably some of his teammates with how he's handled this. This in their minds is creating a public distraction for the team where there was none. Basically they stuck by this guy when they could have really treated him like meat. They'll see it as biting the hand that feeds you.

He'll get traded...but not to any place he wants to go likely....and definitely not Isiah and the Knicks (see TOR and VC)

Either way, keep puttting the positive out there guys. Maybe it can happen without gutting the team too much. Who knows.

We will need a 3rd team !!! I already predicted this happening !!!



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OngBok
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New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Spurs draft pick
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
6.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes
Trevor Ariza
6-8 SF from UCLA
4.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.5 minutes
Incoming
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Eddie Gill
6-0 PG from Weber State
0.0 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: +7.6 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and -0.6 apg.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
17.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.4 apg in 37.1 minutes
Incoming
Knicks draft pick via Spurs
2nd rd pick from Pacers
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
6.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes
Trevor Ariza
6-8 SF from UCLA
4.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: -5.6 ppg, +3.4 rpg, and +0.4 apg.


Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
2nd rd pick to Sac
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Eddie Gill
6-0 PG from Weber State
0.0 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.5 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
17.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.4 apg in 37.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -2.0 ppg, -1.2 rpg, and +0.2 apg.



Successful Scenario
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OngBok
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Martin, i would be glad too.....

INDIANA = There have been published reports that Bird is interested in Paja and they already have had discussions with Sac about aquiring him. Paja would open it up even more for O'neal in the post plus Indy would get rid of a "headach" in Artest who is a public relations nightmare for a midwestern town like Indy.

SACRAMENTO = There have been numerous reports that Paja wants out of Sac-town, Instead of losing him for nothing, they make the move and although Q & Trevor are not equal to Paja, aquiring 2 additional picks would help cushion the blow whick is really what Sac wants now is picks to help rebuild which is why Trevor is nice for them due to his age and affilation with Cali in general "home coming " so to speak. With the transition game that Sac plays, it would allow Q to go back to his productive ways he had in Phoenix and Trevor would be a highlight film and fan favorite.

KNICKS = Its ovbious why we do it. We need a defensive stopper, Artest is a head case but he is worth the risk, he is an LB type of player and i think that Zeke & LB could keep him focused and out of trouble.

SAC
C = MILLER
PF = SAR
SF = WELLS
SG = Q
PG = BIBBY

INDY
C = FOSTER
PF = O'NEAL
SF = PAJA
SG = JACKSON
PG = TINSLEY

KNICKS
C = CURRY
PF = FRYE
SF = ARTEST
SG = CRAW
PG = MARBS

It also opens up an extra roster spot for us because Gill would be cut immediately or keep him around for a 3rd pg spot

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Who, on the court, has had the bigger "me" issues, Marbury or Artest (disregard brawling and/or taking time off to release cds). In this instance, I'd say its pretty close, but Artest's talent overrides his character flaws. He would be OUR psychopath, and pretty much on par talentwise with steph for close to 13 million less per year.

Posted by Knight:

Posted by NotFrye:

Who, on the court, has had the bigger "me" issues, Marbury or Artest (disregard brawling and/or taking time off to release cds). In this instance, I'd say its pretty close, but Artest's talent overrides his character flaws. He would be OUR psychopath, and pretty much on par talentwise with steph for close to 13 million less per year.

Who cares who has bigger issues here, the fact is that Ron wants a trade not to win, but to show off his offense. Larry is about winning and so is Rick Carlisle--that a player would do this early in a winning season is beyond ridiculous.

Where did Artest say he didn't want to win? Sounds to me like he's unhappy in Indiana and wants a fresh start. Nothing in his play ON THE COURT suggests his play detracts from the team's capacity to win, nor should we expect he'd go into marbury rocket-into-lane mode, given that there isn't a precedent for it

[Edited by - notfrye on 12-11-2005 12:21 PM]

sorry you posted before I edited, but it seems to me that Ron Ron's primary motivation for pushing a trade is that he's either embarassed or generally unhappy in Indiana from his past, and wants a fresh start. He doesn't seem to be the type that would freelance in defiance of Coach's gameplan. He says a lot of crazy stuff, and this might be his way of justifying a trade .

"When I first got here, all I wanted to do was play defense. I never really cared about offense, but what I see is players like Kobe (Bryant), Tracy (McGrady), (Gilbert) Arenas and Jermaine (O'Neal) getting the opportunity to maximize their potential on the court and to get paid. I'm out of my character a little bit here.
"I don't think I'm going to maximize my opportunity just playing defense. I have to show I'm one of the premier players on offense on the wing. So when it's that time, there's no question what type of player I am."