Posted by BRIGGS:

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He has one consistency throughout his career--inconsistency--the young crp is an excuse. I dont know what to say, but this guy is Dr Jekyl an Mr Hyde and this hasnt changed. I think the reasons for his inconsistency may stem from his actual thin build and just poor basketball IQ. He has th talent to score 30 points in a half and win us a game, then the next the odds say he will shoot 4-14 and be a non-factor. For the most part Stephon Mabrury is consistent---Im going to forget the two frontcourt guys for a second--what other NY players are consistent performers? Now how do you win games over the long haul when your main guys are inconsistent?

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Posted by attaboy2005:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

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He has one consistency throughout his career--inconsistency--the young crp is an excuse. I dont know what to say, but this guy is Dr Jekyl an Mr Hyde and this hasnt changed. I think the reasons for his inconsistency may stem from his actual thin build and just poor basketball IQ. He has th talent to score 30 points in a half and win us a game, then the next the odds say he will shoot 4-14 and be a non-factor. For the most part Stephon Mabrury is consistent---Im going to forget the two frontcourt guys for a second--what other NY players are consistent performers? Now how do you win games over the long haul when your main guys are inconsistent?

What's horribly inconsistent around here is certain peoples' opinion of Crawford, one day he is a great player then next he is an inconsistent,low IQ player, make up your minds for christ sake you either like him or you don't, none of this back and forth BS!.

The one who really inconsistent is LB, He starts Crawford one game and the next he plays limited minutes, so obviously this affects Crawford's play because he doesn't feel whether he can be trusted or not and it shows in his play.

Well, you're making my whole point. Crawford is consistently inconsistent--he shows flashes of brilliance followed by sub-par games and this cycle has NEVER ended so far in his 6 year acreer. Reasons for this? His slight build and his mental approach. So why do fans sway their girations with Craw--because he can put up 30 against Seattle--he oozes with talent--then he is bodied loses ryhthm and goes 4-14 in his next game. So fans may be enamored with him, then fall out of favor because the return of investment to the fan is inconsistent.

to me, it's as simple as this, crawford should be the starting PG and that's it. case closed. he gives the ball up early and gives people easy baskets GOING to the basket. that alley-oop to nate? that is a pass marbury will NEVER make. he will do what he is told. let him start and run the point and i think he could EASILY average 6-7 assists a night without dominating the ball for the majority of it.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by martin:

Didn't read the whole thread but here is what I think is going on with JC. He lacks some fundamentals. Defense, shot selection, decision making. If he were the Knicks' starting PG both he and the team would be HORRIBLE. The whole year. Brown has made the decision to rework his game without giving JC too much responsibility, and thus he comes off the bench for the most part. Brown stresses defense, going to the basket instead of chucking, midrange, more drives and less 3 pointers. Man, it usually takes a full year before all of that is second nature. Passing and decision-making will come next. Once he gets those down, say at the beginning of next year, maybe he will play some at point.

That's an interesting perspective. However, I will just note that some of us as early as last year, with the little PG time he got, and in SL and preseason, noticed that a lot of those bad habits seemed to decrease naturally for JC when he played the point. IOw, it seemed his more natural position, and trying to fit his square peg into a round hole at SG seemed to be more problematic than it was worth.

OTOH, Steph also seems out of position at the one, and some of his flaws might be diminished with him playing the two.

So why not give them a little switch for a while and see what happens? Things might just fall into a better place.

I am guessing that Brown and maybe even Isiah sees more negative things with JC's fundamentals than we do and know that it takes MONTHS and maybe even up to a year before they are fixed. Again, it's a responsibility thing. How much change can he handle at once? Again, I am guessing that Brown saw too much change (and maybe bad things) in the preseason.

Posted by Nalod:

LIke a good QB, he needs to adjust to whats given to him. Basically the defense is gonna determain what he can or cannot do.

THere are flashes not of him hot and doing what he wants, but within the flow of the LB offense. He is most effective slashing and getting close to the basket. He has done this. He has also carried the team on his back and when craw is doing that its great, but its the inconsistancy we are talking here about.

When the game comes to you,then you know what to do. INstinctively. This is what Both Marbs and craw are learning instead of taking it to the defense. This will take a while

Good points here. My take is noting is definitive until they are given up on and traded. First we must fix them up, then if so desired, put them on E-Bay for trade.

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Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by martin:

Didn't read the whole thread but here is what I think is going on with JC. He lacks some fundamentals. Defense, shot selection, decision making. If he were the Knicks' starting PG both he and the team would be HORRIBLE. The whole year. Brown has made the decision to rework his game without giving JC too much responsibility, and thus he comes off the bench for the most part. Brown stresses defense, going to the basket instead of chucking, midrange, more drives and less 3 pointers. Man, it usually takes a full year before all of that is second nature. Passing and decision-making will come next. Once he gets those down, say at the beginning of next year, maybe he will play some at point.

That's an interesting perspective. However, I will just note that some of us as early as last year, with the little PG time he got, and in SL and preseason, noticed that a lot of those bad habits seemed to decrease naturally for JC when he played the point. IOw, it seemed his more natural position, and trying to fit his square peg into a round hole at SG seemed to be more problematic than it was worth.

OTOH, Steph also seems out of position at the one, and some of his flaws might be diminished with him playing the two.

So why not give them a little switch for a while and see what happens? Things might just fall into a better place.

I am guessing that Brown and maybe even Isiah sees more negative things with JC's fundamentals than we do and know that it takes MONTHS and maybe even up to a year before they are fixed. Again, it's a responsibility thing. How much change can he handle at once? Again, I am guessing that Brown saw too much change (and maybe bad things) in the preseason.

i look at it in almost an opposite way. i think lb is ready to hand over the pg duties to craw but there's an obstacle and that's steph. like blue said, he ran the point in preseason, then all of the sudden he not only isn't the point on opening night but not even starting. something else is up.

i used to be a big proponent of moving steph to SG but i realize now why lb wouldn't do it. steph is not AI. him at the SG would not be a great move b/c he's not a consistent enough jumpshooter, nor does he have a quick release. his strength is driving to the hole but as a SG, other teams can adjust to it much better than with him as the point. WITH THAT SAID, i would like to see jamal run the point for a bit with steph as the SG but i'm not sure we will on a regular enough basis to see how it would work.

lb has said he's been the hardest on jamal and i think it's b/c he sees the most potential in him. and his strength is a 6'5' pg and playmaker. does he have a long way to go? hell yeah. has he been inconsistent? hell yeah. but it's time to give him a legitimate shot and defined role to see if he can do it.