anyone have the stats for Billups during his first 20 games with Brown? That would be an interesting comparison.

Yeah he is shooting really poorly. If he was playing halfway decent we clearly woulda won that. As long as he continues to help the team in other ways until he gets through it I'm cool with that. And he's hitting his ft's. In the first half even when we missed Curry tipped them in anyway so his aggressiveness worked in our favor anyway.

He's actually the last of our big scorers that I'm worried about. Even in his poor shooting games he gets to the line a decent amount and still causes confusion and oppurtunities for his teammates. We need JC to learn from that example and still get to the line alot too.

jamal actually went to the line 1 more time (7-7) last night and shot a woeful 2-10 but that's beside the point...

last night was a pretty bad night for steph as a point guard trying to run a team. he played really well defensively, knocking the ball away a bunch of times but as the choreographer of our offense, it was pretty bad. the game was still in balance but he really just started jocking up shots even though he knew he was cold. reminded me alot of the starks in game 7. and nate had few shots in the last few minutes that were desperation as the clock was winding down.

it looked like marbury was trying to be aggressive and trying to win the game for us but didn't recognize that he was shooting very poorly. steph is hitting his free throws as is almost everyone else not named curry but the deciding factor was him getting a little trigger happy. jamal didn't take a shot over the last 7+ minutes of the game and frye wasn't even a thought on the offense.

this was my fear when eddy came back. i was worried we would just keep dumping it down to him and throwing our entire offensive flow out the window.


4th Period
(11:19) [NYK] Robinson Jump Shot: Missed
(10:46) [NYK] Crawford Turnover: Bad Pass (3 TO) Steal: McCarty (1 ST)
(10:39) [NYK] Robinson Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(10:39) [NYK] Hardaway Substitution replaced by Marbury
(10:23) [NYK] Frye Rebound (Off:1 Def:3)
(10:14) [NYK] Curry Dunk Shot: Missed Block: Kaman (3 BLK)
(9:52) [NYK] Team Timeout: Regular
(9:33) [NYK] Robinson Turnover: Lost Ball Out of Bounds (2 TO)
(9:13) [NYK] Crawford Foul: Personal (1 PF)
(9:13) [NYK] Robinson Rebound (Off:3 Def:3)
(8:51) [NYK 64-62] Marbury Free Throw 1 of 2 (7 PTS)
(8:51) [NYK 65-62] Marbury Free Throw 2 of 2 (8 PTS)
(8:27) [NYK] Frye Rebound (Off:1 Def:4)
(8:17) [NYK] Crawford Jump Shot: Missed
(8:17) [NYK] Team Rebound
(8:11) [NYK] Marbury Layup Shot: Missed
(7:50) [NYK] Curry Foul: Shooting (3 PF)
(7:32) [NYK 66-63] Crawford Free Throw 1 of 2 (10 PTS)
(7:32) [NYK 67-63] Crawford Free Throw 2 of 2 (11 PTS)
(6:53) [NYK] Marbury Jump Shot: Missed
(6:16) [NYK 69-67] Curry Slam Dunk Shot: Made (24 PTS) Assist: Crawford (1 AST)
(5:57) [NYK] Frye Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(5:57) [NYK] Frye Substitution replaced by Davis
(5:56) [NYK] Curry Rebound (Off:3 Def:6)
(5:45) [NYK] Marbury Turnover: Stepped out of Bounds (1 TO)
(4:58) [NYK] Curry Layup Shot: Missed Block: Brand (5 BLK)
(4:58) [NYK] Team Rebound
(4:51) [NYK] Marbury Jump Shot: Missed Block: Brand (6 BLK)
(4:39) [NYK] Curry Rebound (Off:3 Def:7)
(4:30) [NYK] Crawford Jump Shot: Missed
(4:28) [NYK] Team Rebound
(4:13) [NYK] Robinson Jump Shot: Missed
(4:12) [NYK] Robinson Rebound (Off:2 Def:2)
(4:10) [NYK] Robinson Layup Shot: Missed
(4:09) [NYK] Davis Rebound (Off:3 Def:0)
(3:57) [NYK] Marbury Layup Shot: Missed
(3:51) [NYK] Robinson Rebound (Off:3 Def:2)
(3:40) [NYK 71-69] Marbury Jump Shot: Made (10 PTS)
(3:24) [NYK] Robinson Foul: Personal (3 PF)
(3:24) [NYK] Robinson Substitution replaced by Hardaway
(3:04) [NYK] Davis Jump Shot: Missed
(3:02) [NYK] Curry Foul: Personal (4 PF)
(3:01) [NYK] Davis Rebound (Off:3 Def:1)
(2:49) [NYK] Marbury Layup Shot: Missed
(2:09) [NYK] Hardaway Jump Shot: Missed
(1:51) [NYK] Team Timeout: Regular
(1:51) [NYK] Davis Substitution replaced by Frye
(1:38) [NYK 73-77] Marbury Layup Shot: Made (12 PTS) Assist: Frye (1 AST)
(1:38) [NYK] Hardaway Substitution replaced by Robinson
(1:38) [NYK] Frye Substitution replaced by Davis
(1:38) [NYK] Curry Free Throw 1 of 1 missed
(1:35) [NYK] Davis Substitution replaced by Frye
(1:14) [NYK] Marbury Foul: Personal (4 PF)
(1:13) [NYK] Curry Rebound (Off:3 Def:8)
(1:13) [NYK] Team Timeout: Regular
(1:09) [NYK 74-78] Robinson Free Throw 1 of 2 (7 PTS)
(1:09) [NYK 75-78] Robinson Free Throw 2 of 2 (8 PTS)
(0:39) [NYK] Curry Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(0:39) [NYK] Team Rebound
(0:39) [NYK] Curry Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(0:25) [NYK] Curry Substitution replaced by Rose
(0:25) [NYK 76-80] Robinson Free Throw 1 of 2 (9 PTS)
(0:25) [NYK 77-80] Robinson Free Throw 2 of 2 (10 PTS)
(0:22) [NYK] Robinson Foul: Personal (4 PF)
(0:12) [NYK] Robinson Jump Shot: Missed
(0:08) [NYK] Crawford Foul: Personal (2 PF)
(0:01) [NYK] Robinson Layup Shot: Missed
(0:01) [NYK 79-84] Frye Tip Shot: Made (6 PTS)
(0:01) [NYK] Frye Rebound (Off:2 Def:4)
(0:00) End Period

^^I don't think the play by play reflects that. He made our last 2 buckets, the first one brought us within 2. They denied us our bread and butter by doubling Curry before he got the ball. If someone was out there we could have stopped that. I can't call it, but he did score in the closing 5 minutes, and thats more than I can say for Frye, Curry, and Craw. I don't know who you blame that on, Frye really didn't get oppurtunities, Curry blew ft's and Crawford couldn't buy a basket.

I love Steph - but I have to admit I have been less than impresssed with his play since he became a Knick.

Anyone have stats comparisons vs when he was on the Suns? I just remember seeing him play hard against the Spurs in the playoffs - granted thats the post season - but I dont feel like we have that same player on our roster.

The big picture is that Steph won't be here for the rest of his contract.

Posted by djsunyc:

over the last 6 games:

       FG     FT      PTS   AST   REB   TO
@mia   6-14   7-9     19    6     3     2
chi    3-9    12-14   18    8     5     2
@det   4-15   3-4     11    11    3     2
bos    9-22   17-21   35    9     5     5
@sea   4-11   8-10    16    8     4     5
@lac   3-16   6-6     12    2     6     1

so he's shooting 29-87 (.333 FG%) over the past 6 games. has he ever shot this poorly over a significant stretch of games?

There are alot of NBA players that would dream of being that effective in a slump.

It says alot about a player that can put up those kinds of numbers when they aren't playing well.

Posted by TymeLessKnicks:

There are alot of NBA players that would dream of being that effective in a slump.

It says alot about a player that can put up those kinds of numbers when they aren't playing well.

i dont think slump and effective should be in the same sentence. if he was shooting near 50% those wins would have been easier and the losses might have not happened. he needs to get of this chyt already and play like he want to go to the allstar game. im soo bloodclaat mad with his play last night.....unreal!!!!

If he was shooting 50%, still averaging 10+ FTAs per game, 7+ APG, almost 5 RPG, he'd be...well he'd be having a "Lebron James-type" stretch!


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-08-2005 5:26 PM]

I'm done with all of you. There is not even a sembelance of fairness here. I'm finished. I can't take this. After EVERY loss, there is this an emotional argument for why it was stephs fault no matter who did what. I can't deal with this, it is making my time here less enjoyable. There is a contingent here who ignore facts, spew platitudes, and generally root against their teams favorite player, because he writes things on his sneakers. It is draining me to read this nonsense everyday, or every other day. I am gone. Good bye.