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Allanfan20
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12/8/2005  1:50 AM
I mean, Curry was unstobbable for most of the game today, but with the guards sucking on offense today, wouldn't it make sense to get him involved? Post him up? Have someone setting some picks for HIM for once? I mean, isn't his shooting supposed to keep good defenders OUT of the paint? Aren't we supposed to get him to the free throw line? I understand he was geting hurt on the defensive end, but Eltan Brand kind of kills everyone if you didn't notice. Wilcox was having his way in the first half, but then he was done. No way he should be getting 4 shots in a big game. Just no way.
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12/8/2005  1:55 AM
We have a great combo in Frye and Curry, one that can create so many problems for other teams, yet we don't take advantage of that. Frye has been improving his rebounding, and today Curry was so good on it too that you could take a gamble and play them together to take the offense to another level. But what happens? We collapse and again Brown will say some things and forget he is one of the main responsables of having NY in such a bad record. No reason not to use Frye! And you use AD instead? Give me a freaking break!
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12/8/2005  1:59 AM
I've said this a few times now: but this team won't be good until Curry and Frye learn to play together. It's going to take a while. Could be 20 games, could be until March. But when it clicks, it's going to be impressive and we're going to go on that streak Marbury was talking about.

Coach Brown was overprotective of Frye tonight against Brand, but it clearly cost the offense dearly.
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12/8/2005  1:59 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I mean, Curry was unstobbable for most of the game today, but with the guards sucking on offense today, wouldn't it make sense to get him involved? Post him up? Have someone setting some picks for HIM for once? I mean, isn't his shooting supposed to keep good defenders OUT of the paint? Aren't we supposed to get him to the free throw line? I understand he was geting hurt on the defensive end, but Eltan Brand kind of kills everyone if you didn't notice. Wilcox was having his way in the first half, but then he was done. No way he should be getting 4 shots in a big game. Just no way.

I thought that Frye played well defensively as well as Curry. The defense on Brand was excellent. Brand didn't dominate the post, he made nice shots that he worked for. The game was lost and won. 3 FG in 15 minutes??? yikes. McCarty's 3 pointer and Cutino securing that tip ball was huge.
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12/8/2005  2:02 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I've said this a few times now: but this team won't be good until Curry and Frye learn to play together. It's going to take a while. Could be 20 games, could be until March. But when it clicks, it's going to be impressive and we're going to go on that streak Marbury was talking about.

Coach Brown was overprotective of Frye tonight against Brand, but it clearly cost the offense dearly.

Id say stubborn in playing the vets when he had to send Frye out there and run plays for him. So many lost games that were winnable! This is getting sad...

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12/8/2005  2:05 AM
Larry is frustratingly Torre-like without the benefit of having won any rings in NY.
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12/8/2005  2:07 AM
I mean, Curry was unstobbable for most of the game today, but with the guards sucking on offense today, wouldn't it make sense to get him involved? Post him up?

Watching the game today reinforced my opinion that Curry is still all talent and no 'game'. The Clippers adjusted to him in the second half and that was it. He's got two moves: a jump hook and a spin for a dunk or layup. Unfortunately he is not that proficient at those moves, it all depends on whether he is feeling good or if his man simply can't match up physically.

I mean, isn't his shooting supposed to keep good defenders OUT of the paint? Aren't we supposed to get him to the free throw line? I understand he was geting hurt on the defensive end, but Eltan Brand kind of kills everyone if you didn't notice. Wilcox was having his way in the first half, but then he was done. No way he should be getting 4 shots in a big game. Just no way.

What pissed me off the most was Frye didn't get enough burn in the fourth quarter until the situation was desperate. I really think he is the best shooter on the team and that would have spread the floor like you decribed.

Also, why isn't Frye starting? He is the most consistent player on the team!

Another thing that pissed me off is that Ariza got a DNP. His ability to get steals and rebounds could have been very valuable when the Clippers were making their comeback.

I wish LB would stop with the Davis/Rose BS. Screw featuring these guys. So what if we manage to trade them for a marginal player when we end up losing so many games due to their presence that it tanks even the hope of the playoffs?

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12/8/2005  2:14 AM
It is funny how fans know this, the media knows, and NBA commentators as well but no one gets in Brown's face and call him out? I mean the guy fact out lied to everyone that Frye was starting but he is given the benefit of the doubt. I am so tried of people making this guy to be such a genius. The next he flashes his ring, I would love someone to scream Carlse wants his ring B**ch!
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12/8/2005  7:39 AM
I think we need to release AD point blank. Mo T showed again that he does more than AD when he's on the floor and Frye is the best 4 we have right now. We still have Penny for the all important expiring contract for when we make our move to get Brand, Bosh or Garnett </end sarcasm>

He's a good guy and he plays hard but its time to move on
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12/8/2005  7:43 AM
Larry is doing wrong. I don't think it is bad to have AD on the team. But he should play no more than 10 minutes per game, and of course, he should NEVER start.
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12/8/2005  8:47 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I think we need to release AD point blank. Mo T showed again that he does more than AD when he's on the floor and Frye is the best 4 we have right now. We still have Penny for the all important expiring contract for when we make our move to get Brand, Bosh or Garnett </end sarcasm>

He's a good guy and he plays hard but its time to move on
We wouldn't have your favorite Knick JC without expiring contracts. There's no reason to think AD's exp cont can't be used equally effectively.

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12/8/2005  9:25 AM
Larry sucks now? Thats great! 15 games and no rings, what an ass!

Think Defense is now adjusting to Frye and his rookie mistakes might include the fine art of getting into position, moving without the ball, and how to adjust to some defense? Or he is so great now he can do what he pleases?

Would it be better with Herb playing vets and just sitting the rooks?

Or young guys are so farther ahead of any expectations its not funny?

Anyone consider that frye might be a bit tired? 15 games in about 40 days vs. 30 games for a whole college season? THink Larry is keeping him from wearing down? Besides physical pressure, he is carrying a lot. MOst of it good, but it still takes its toll!

I don't know everything that Larry is doing or why he is doing it, but I have ultimate faith that we are witnessing a process not a final roster. Playing Penny a week before the trading deadline is not all that stupid. Playing a large shooting guard in the absense of Qrich us not all that silly.

Playing AD over Mo. T makes sense.

Getting Curry back in the flow makes sense. Then exposing his need for more tools will set on him.

4th quarter after a back to back is tiring on the road.
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12/8/2005  9:42 AM
Posted by Nalod:


Playing AD over Mo. T makes sense.
No, but I agree with the rest you said.
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12/8/2005  9:55 AM
I was wondering the same thing about Frye last night (Along with Nate). The kid played just a few games at this point last season in college and went to just a few different cities. It seems like Channing has visited all of USA in just 3 months, which is a lot and certainly does take it's toll and can be a bit overwhelming. He does kind of remind me of Allan Houston, in that he's very very unassuming and has kind of a tired look on his face, even though he obviously isn't THAT tired. He and Nate and Lee will eventually get used to it though.
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12/8/2005  10:03 AM
Maybe some posters have Frye on their fantasy team and are upset that he's not getting the 20 a night they need. I think alot of fans think pacing Frye early in the season is not crazy--he still has a ton to learn.
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12/8/2005  10:05 AM
if i was coaching--against teams without a mcrgady/pierce type 3, I would have Frye play 20 minutes at 3 and 20 minutes at 4-5--very similar to what they are doing with CV in Tor. That makes a very difficult match-up and should give someone a tremendous mis-match.


by the way, we were flat out-coached last night
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12/8/2005  10:10 AM
Larry screwed the pooch last night. We would have blown out the clips if Frye was getting the ball.
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12/8/2005  10:20 AM
blame the guards.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/8/2005  10:42 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by Nalod:


Playing AD over Mo. T makes sense.
No, but I agree with the rest you said.

I'll give Mo T a lot of credit. He's superior to the team's current starting PF. The fact that he's burried on the bench must be bugging the hell out of him but he's not bitching and becoming a distraction.
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12/8/2005  10:47 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Think Defense is now adjusting to Frye and his rookie mistakes might include the fine art of getting into position, moving without the ball, and how to adjust to some defense? Or he is so great now he can do what he pleases?

lets see here, he shot 3-4 from the field(75%), and had 6 points and 6 rebounds in 17 minutes. please explain to me how that is an indication that defenses are adjusting to frye.
Posted by Nalod:

Playing AD over Mo. T makes sense.

ok now, AD was 2-5 from the field(40%), for 2 points and 4 rebounds in 17 minutes. mo taylor shot 2-4 from the field(50%) also had 2 points but 10 rebounds in only 3 more minutes. why does playing AD over taylor make sense again? heck why does playing AD over ANYONE make sense?

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-08-2005 10:49 AM]
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